"Please Kick Me..." - Just Take Your Penalty

[RiceisNice]

And so to prove a point, you let the person sit rather than vote kick him. The result? The party had to disband anyway after wasting 10 more minutes in which time a replacement would likely have joined and you would have finished the dungeon.

I understand the frustration around vote kick. What I don't understand is how people are ready to screw themselves over to prove a point. Just kick them and get on with it.

The party would have flunked anyway because no one really queues for alex floors in progress (since they typically tend to be traps and well...the instance itself has no trash mobs to warrant inprogress) It was a matter of letting the healer go without any repercussion or having the entire party stay the extra time. Either case, what the healer wanted to do was douchebaggery, and really should not be encouraged, let alone allowed. A collective player report would often go far too, since this is considered player harassment.

[Waeksyn]

The party would have flunked anyway because no one really queues for alex floors in progress (since they typically tend to be traps and well...the instance itself has no trash mobs to warrant inprogress) It was a matter of letting the healer go without any repercussion or having the entire party stay the extra time. Either case, what the healer wanted to do was douchebaggery, and really should not be encouraged, let alone allowed. A collective player report would often go far too, since this is considered player harassment.

So, you still wasted 10 minutes dealing with it. You could have disbanded, etc. Seems people are punishing themselves over principle-rage.

[RiceisNice]

So, you still wasted 10 minutes dealing with it. You could have disbanded, etc. Seems people are punishing themselves over principle-rage.

Principle rage or not, they would've been screwed over either way through re-queuing. Then you have the extremely off chance that no one in the party has a vote kick allowance because get this sort of thing all the time. I'm not going to judge on whether or not it's right for them to be that vindictive toward people like that healer, but I remain on the fact that the healer is, objectively, an unsavory player that should have
some repercussions for what he's doing (whether it be at the hands of the player or GM, though preferably the GM so it's more lasting to make an actual point that this is a problem with how it's set up).

Granted, it can be the other way too. I could be in a party with a group of people who are purposely trolling their run (and they've made that clear through chat logs). They won't vote abandon and certainly they won't kick. So the only choice I'd have is to leave, and then they'd still skip out on the penalty because they're not the first person leaving the instance. Regardless of what I did, my circumstances were at the mercy of an individual, or a group of them. Even if they had vote kicked me (and assuming there was a queue penalty for vote kicking), at that point it's honestly no different than leaving and taking the penalty anyway.) Both are considered harassment and a report would go through either way.

[Magistrella]

So he said just kick me we said no. And I said you will either leave take the penalty or stay and do your role. Or I will report you for harassment he said he'd do the same was fine with me since I did nothing wrong he started a kick on the BLM unfortunately we realized to late it was the BLM thinking it was the WHM. The WHM did it so they could skip the penalty fortunately he couldn't leave because we were in combat ha ha ha. Then a brd joined and since he already used his vote kick he just forced a dc so wed be forced to kick him.

Well I held on to my end and reported the guy for this abuse.

Thank you for the quick and timely reply GM Eresgha.

Poor "not so bright person"

too bad he didn't know that once the original makeup was changed he could leave at any point without penalty

Is that retarception?

[RygaenYuui]

So in XI, most bad players would develop reputations of ill party manners because you would always see that player or hear about those players on your particular server (that and they would always have trouble finding help). The same notoriety is difficult to pinpoint in XIV because we play with multiple server groups.

I don't think it's a bad thing for reputation to carry with the players decisions. There's definitely a way to treat people IRL and over the net, regardless of your anonymity. But of course that's never going to happen in this game; people too afraid that singling threatening players out is bad for the community at large. Any duty finder instance removes any association with the character's FC as well (For silly reasons....because you can always take that person's name, run a search, and find ALL of their information on lodestone anyway....)

But it would be nice to have something as far as a reputation system is concerned....Like an icon that's place above a person's name or something when they leave or are kicked a party for harassment or receive penalty after so many attempts... They give a huge and harsh penalty for people who don't accept the duties that they sign up for, then what is the difference for people who don't complete their duties and leave midway?

[Magistrella]

But it would be nice to have something as far as a reputation system is concerned....Like an icon that's place above a person's name or something when they leave or are kicked a party for harassment or receive penalty after so many attempts... They give a huge and harsh penalty for people who don't accept the duties that they sign up for, then what is the difference for people who don't complete their duties and leave midway?

cool, ill make 7 alt chars then to downvote a person 8 times total /sarcasm

and to answer your question: 30 minutes DF not working + waittime for next entry (yes, not only tanks/heals do that)

[Fenral]

When you ask for a vote dismiss, you're negatively impacting the rest of the party. If you understand that and do it anyway, possibly even retaliating if they don't, you are the one holding up the party. The party is not at fault.

Sad that so many of these responses amount to "just let them abuse the system." Being against it isn't "rage," it's a perfectly understandable form of irritation. All OP is asking for, that I can see, is for people to change their attitude about using vote dismiss to abuse the system, which really isn't too much to ask.

If anything, I think the new stock response should just be "sorry, mine's on cooldown." They have no way of verifying it either way, and if they insist on being a problem because of it, well, that's grounds for a report.

[Yamimarik]

I'm not really for either side, only because there is always another side to each story. But not too long ago I had to deal with this issue, to the point the individual wanting kicked MPK'd us, and then refused to heal us or even move. Our healer had said something in party chat about "Going fast so we could beat the reset..." it was 10pm EST and a Thursday night.... what reset?! Daily reset was quite a few hours away, and weekly reset? Quite a few more days away as well @.@

Well it was Keeper of the Lake, and you can only go so far before you physically are blocked by bridges up till you beat certain mobs till you can continue. But pulling all before you can actually move on further wasn't enough, because after the first bridge falls and you pull that really big group, the healer stops healing us, runs away, we die, then he pulls a group and kills us again w/o healing, then asks to be kicked. Well at first I completely out right refuse and call a GM. Finally after 10mins have passed and I'm waiting for a response, the DPS get fed up waiting and vote dismiss him w/o me.

The GM finally contacts me and the first thing he asks me is if I used the tools at my disposal to get rid of said individual with the "Vote Dismiss" option. You very well may need to utilize it whether you personally want to or not, before a GM may be able to take action against said individual. It is there for a reason and people holding up the run by wanting a vote kick is a form of Harassment which is clearly an option under the Vote Dismiss options.

[Mardel]

For reference, this is the stubborn part.

You aren't accomplishing anything at this point in the hypothetical imo. I've seen all this stuff happen, and there's no revelatory experience that emerges from it. No one decides they were being a dick and to be cooperative. The individual gets stuck in the dungeon for a while.

The rest of the group has to wait even longer than usual for a replacement. At a practical level that's all that happens. Just because someone's wrong doesn't make the other party right.

Suggesting a penalty to kick is something. But just refusing to kick someone at this point serves no purpose except to create a heightened sense of righteous indignation. It's just stubborn.

This guy he gets it !

I've asked to be removed from a party before in such a manner. "Hey sorry to ask but can you guys vote kick me, FC mate asked for help with a trial and they need me." (It's all on how you word it.)

If they don't comply i make the judgement: (How long will the rest of this take vs penalty?)

If longer than penalty well I'm eatting it lol. Please also note that by having them "take the penalty" they aren't really penalized someone could easily go Q for pvp as pvp and pve penalties are quite different.

Trying to hold me hostage will just make me lazy. It's like training a pet, positive reinforcement trumps negative reinforcement.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

So you're asking us to treat you like a dog?