Eso Tome Cap

[Neophyte]

i don't understand why people feel this way, you aren't being forced to do anything, just play at your own pace

If you want to do 'best' in your job you'd have to.
You will be always 'worse' (regarding gear) than someone with much more time, something the actual system prevents.
This can affect your raiding... statics may decide (for good reason like versatility) to only get players which have lot more classes geared, if you tell them that you can't do the effort to gear specific classes, too. Every paladin would be asked to gear DRK or WAR as well. And they might be replaced when they don't have the time for this.

[Havenae]

If you want to do 'best' in your job you'd have to.
You will be always 'worse' (regarding gear) than someone with much more time, something the actual system prevents.
This can affect your raiding... statics may decide (for good reason like versatility) to only get players which have lot more classes geared, if you tell them that you can't do the effort to gear specific classes, too. Every paladin would be asked to gear DRK as well. And they might be replaced when they don't have the time for this.

Sounds more like a matter of playstyle then rather than something that needs to be regulated by SE. Gods forbid someone has more playtime and more desire to max everything than you do. Why don't we just make all jobs carbon copies of one another then so we can do away with exclusion based on individual job progression all together?

[Kaedan]

wrong, there's always incentive in the things people do, no matter what it is in life, no one does something for the hell of it, no matter how big or small the incentive it's always there, whether personal or otherwise, there has to be something there to keep you coming back, the current generation are the ones who want everything for nothing, i'm not current generation, i'll probably older than you, i'm just saying if i want to put the work in to gain the rewards, i should be free too, without being held back

1) You're not older than me, I guarantee it. And that's irrelevant anyway, because people don't always act their age (or ever).

2) I never actually accused you of being part of the current generation, just that you highlighted a problem with it, but that you thought I did is interesting.

3) If you like to do something, that's all the reason you need to do it. You aren't "doing it for nothing", you're doing it because you want to/like to. If you require some extra incentive, especially a material one, before you consider it "worthwhile", then that is proof that you don't actually like said thing.

but its how you derive pleasure from whatever it is your doing, maybe we watch the same movie, but enjoy it for different reasons, the game is no different, i enjoy running/grinding content and earning new gear/weapons, making my char stronger and more powerful or to look cooler /whatever, everyone has there own version of fun

But you specifically said that you like the content, but find it meaningless if you don't get something. Those are contradictory. What you LIKE is getting stuff. You don't actually like the content if you're not willing to do it without getting stuff.

[Felis]

While completely ignoring the underlying problem in that perspective. My question is.. how the hell did MMOs survive before Blizzard (or whoever they 'borrowed' the idea of token exchanges for gear and caps on them) first implemented the 'feature'? Surely there were only as handful of loyal subscribers to keep the games limping along.

Low dropchances on the good gears. If you had bad luck it needed months to get what you wanted.

[AckersFury]

If you want to do 'best' in your job you'd have to.
You will be always 'worse' (regarding gear) than someone with much more time, something the actual system prevents.
This can affect your raiding... statics may decide (for good reason like versatility) to only get players which have lot more classes geared, if you tell them that you can't do the effort to gear specific classes, too. Every paladin would be asked to gear DRK as well. And they might be replaced when they don't have the time for this.

then you don't want to be in a static with asshats who demand you do things, start a static with friends, or start your own and recruit players, unless your in a bleeding edge raid guild there's really no reason for leaders to be demanding over the top requirements from people, its too bad SE didn't just make AF gear a glamour set for each job, and have the actual tome gear shared like the older ones were, i think that might of worked out better

[ElHeggunte]

Low dropchances on the good gears

Yeah, was going to say. Older games got by on terribly low drop chances, long respawns, and sometimes long lockouts too. FFXI, which is a game people love to compare to this one, is a perfect example of a game that utilized all three at varying points of its lifespan.

Of course this is me speaking as someone who quit in the middle of Wings of the Goddess so things may have changed , but I'm guessing that if it did it didn't change much.

[AckersFury]

But you specifically said that you like the content, but find it meaningless if you don't get something. Those are contradictory. What you LIKE is getting stuff. You don't actually like the content if you're not willing to do it without getting stuff.

ok sure fair enough, i don't dislike the content though, but sure yeah the end goal of getting the gear i've earned is my drive, but in an mmo surely that's where most people get there fun, i know people love crafting, or rping, or getting glamour gear etc but yeah for me in an mmo setting, growing my char is what i enjoy, but everything people enjoy doing has a reward at the end or something to aim for, no one is doing something for nothing

[LunnaRavenheart]

i don't understand why people feel this way, you aren't being forced to do anything, just play at your own pace

I am. I always have to have complete all the things or atleast plan to complete them in future.

[AckersFury]

I am. I always have to have complete all the things or atleast plan to complete them in future.

you sound like a perfectionist, im similar, it eats away at you when you don't complete things, you have to learn to let go :P...yes it hurts lol

[Lemuel81]

I think its kinda funny how people are responding and havent even read the OP. The OP doesnt want it uncapped. He feels that each job we have should have their own cap. Personally I agree with it.