Eso Tome Cap

[Neophyte]

i don't understand why people feel this way, you aren't being forced to do anything, just play at your own pace

If you want to do 'best' in your job you'd have to.
You will be always 'worse' (regarding gear) than someone with much more time, something the actual system prevents.
This can affect your raiding... statics may decide (for good reason like versatility) to only get players which have lot more classes geared, if you tell them that you can't do the effort to gear specific classes, too. Every paladin would be asked to gear DRK or WAR as well. And they might be replaced when they don't have the time for this.

[Havenae]

If you want to do 'best' in your job you'd have to.
You will be always 'worse' (regarding gear) than someone with much more time, something the actual system prevents.
This can affect your raiding... statics may decide (for good reason like versatility) to only get players which have lot more classes geared, if you tell them that you can't do the effort to gear specific classes, too. Every paladin would be asked to gear DRK as well. And they might be replaced when they don't have the time for this.

Sounds more like a matter of playstyle then rather than something that needs to be regulated by SE. Gods forbid someone has more playtime and more desire to max everything than you do. Why don't we just make all jobs carbon copies of one another then so we can do away with exclusion based on individual job progression all together?

[Gardes]

Sounds more like a matter of playstyle then rather than something that needs to be regulated by SE. Gods forbid someone has more playtime and more desire to max everything than you do. Why don't we just make all jobs carbon copies of one another then so we can do away with exclusion based on individual job progression all together?

Bah, I have plenty of playtime and can probably cap like 7 x 450 tomes if such a cap exists but even I don't want it. All that for what? All you guys ever want to focus on is the gear. What about the process of getting the tomes? It's crappy as hell and you guys don't even care about asking improvements for that because all you want is fricking eye candy.

"Forget about asking for more content variety that isn't overused and abused dungeons and trials and crappy pvp, repeating the same 2 dungeons are fine!! In fact we want to spam it even harder just so we can get gear that we're just gonna use to overkill the spammed dungeons even more!!"

Absurd.

[LunnaRavenheart]

Bah, I have plenty of playtime and can probably cap like 7 x 450 tomes if such a cap exists but even I don't want it. All that for what? All you guys ever want to focus on is the gear. What about the process of getting the tomes? It's crappy as hell and you guys don't even care about asking improvements for that because all you want is fricking eye candy.

"Forget about asking for more content variety that isn't overused and abused dungeons and trials and crappy pvp, repeating the same 2 dungeons are fine!! In fact we want to spam it even harder just so we can get gear that we're just gonna use to overkill the spammed dungeons even more!!"

Absurd.

When I asked about more complex dungeons with patrols and bigger structures in them like vanilla Sunken Temple in wow i was bashed. People like 20mins long one way corridor from start to end and thats it.

[RiceisNice]

When I asked about more complex dungeons with patrols and bigger structures in them like vanilla Sunken Temple in wow i was bashed. People like 20mins long one way corridor from start to end and thats it.

It's a novelty idea, but ultimately it doesn't have longevity to it and can lead to frustrations down the road. It's fun the first time (assuming you ever got a party for sunken temple to begin with), but after that it became tedious, monotonous (especially when you didn't even have a map function for dungeons at the time,) and really...not that much fun. I think 1.0 utilized those same type of dungeon formats as well? I think it fell out for similiar reasons.

[LunnaRavenheart]

It's a novelty idea, but ultimately it doesn't have longevity to it and can lead to frustrations down the road. It's fun the first time (assuming you ever got a party for sunken temple to begin with), but after that it became tedious, monotonous (especially when you didn't even have a map function for dungeons at the time,) and really...not that much fun. I think 1.0 utilized those same type of dungeon formats as well? I think it fell out for similiar reasons.

Thats true but atleast it will be something different. Here you have like milion dungeons. They are nice by graphic but they are same on everything. We just getting generic dungeons with different graphic. Start dungeon -> pull everything you can until some barrier -> aoe everything -> some generic bossfight with mechanic you can almost always ingore. -> Repeat whole section 2 more times -> End.

[Havenae]

All you guys... you guys...

All who guys? I'm personally all for an MMO free of gear progression entirely (at least in this current incarnation). I'd be much more happy with content that is enjoyable enough to want to do it just to do it, rather than feeling I need to be rewarded for it. But that isn't this game. No this game hold WoW up on a pedestal so the producer can lick upon those sweet gonads of once 11million subscriber fame. So all we're ever going to get is tired used up content scenarios that focus entirely upon acquiring gear via a token system that they will continually use to hold the majority of the player base hostage with based entirely upon the fear that they might lose a few subs.

But since it is what it is... You get the rest.

Worst idea I've ever heard...

Is it? Is it REALLY the worst idea you've EVER heard?

I'm sure I've read much worse on these very forums.

[AckersFury]

If you want to do 'best' in your job you'd have to.
You will be always 'worse' (regarding gear) than someone with much more time, something the actual system prevents.
This can affect your raiding... statics may decide (for good reason like versatility) to only get players which have lot more classes geared, if you tell them that you can't do the effort to gear specific classes, too. Every paladin would be asked to gear DRK as well. And they might be replaced when they don't have the time for this.

then you don't want to be in a static with asshats who demand you do things, start a static with friends, or start your own and recruit players, unless your in a bleeding edge raid guild there's really no reason for leaders to be demanding over the top requirements from people, its too bad SE didn't just make AF gear a glamour set for each job, and have the actual tome gear shared like the older ones were, i think that might of worked out better