Connecting the DoTs: A Summoner Guide

[Minorinz]

yeah otherwise ur leaving AA stacks wasted. I tridisaster bane when they spawn close to each other then painflare on tornado phase, usually just miasma spam with bio/ruin2 or even ruin 3. Btw bind works there so if you want to tribind on a mass of them until stun lol although it's a waste of a gcd

[OneWingedSora]

yeah otherwise ur leaving AA stacks wasted. I tridisaster bane when they spawn close to each other then painflare on tornado phase, usually just miasma spam with bio/ruin2 or even ruin 3. Btw bind works there so if you want to tribind on a mass of them until stun lol although it's a waste of a gcd

I am pretty sure bind doesn't work there. I tried before with {Freeze} and it didn't work.

[Sleigh]

Yeah me too, Blizzard 2 from my part. Didn't work. Maybe one type can be bound and the other can't but I didn't care to find out.

[Minorinz]

I don't mind double checking for this with tri-bind. I'll ask the bard to test shadow bind although they said there is no point in using it since everything is getting hit. It would be weird to let all detrimental effects you inflict 100% possible except bind then again it may be too op or something.

[Aikaal]

They can't be bind. What you can do is
Slow - Lethargy, Blizzard 1, Miasma, Miasma II, Stone
Stun

[Minorinz]

They can't be bind. What you can do is
Slow - Lethargy, Blizzard 1, Miasma, Miasma II, Stone
Stun

I'm pretty sure silence should work too even though I don't have it as a smn and yeah since all of u used bliz/freeze to find out i'll take ur word for it but just cause i'm curious to why i thought they froze ima still test it for myself again.

[Sleigh]

Silence/stun both interrupt the Forrest Gump cast bar, yeah.

[Minorinz]

Sleigh's:

B2 > M > B > Swift + Fester > Shadowflare > Rouse + Spur > R2 > Pot > R2 > RS + Pain > R2 > Fester + DWT > R2 > Enkindle + Aether > R2 > 3D > R2 > Fester > R3 > R2 > Deathflare
** I've been using a slightly modified version of this that I feel has been giving me the most return.

So I've tried this, using fester before DWT won't let you get another fester especially with a 15 sec pot which means you have to fester as you enter DWT and the pot duration needs to be higher than 10 secs. Realistically this opener is great for not clipping but I still feel it's lacking in terms of maximum dps burst. As soon as you have your pot pop'd you literally have 15 secs until deathflare and there are 2 R2s before DWT is activated, so that's 2 GCDs off the DWT buff timer. I can't comprehend the loss no matter how many times I try. Maybe you can give me some insight, please?

Avalen's:

Bio II -> Miasma -> Bio -> Swiftcast + Fester > Shadowflare -> Rouse/Spur > Ruin II > Ruin II > Raging Strikes + PainFlare -> Ruin II -> X-Pot + Fester / DWT -> Ruin II -> Tri - Disaster + Enkindle -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow +Contagion -> Ruin III -> Ruin III -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Deathflare -> Ruin II -> Shadowflare ->....

Now avalen's one is somewhat better for me because the pot is activated as DWT goes off so DWT duration is almost matching the Pot's with only one fester. This opener is realistic and I can kind of comprehend it. The alignment of CDs is flowing nicely.

The opener I've decided to go with even though I feel it can improve:

Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Painflare -> Fester -> R2 -> Swiftcast -> Rouse -> Shadowflare -> Spur -> Raging -> R2 -> Painflare -> Aetherflow -> R2 -> Pot -> R2 [Bio is dropping] -> Enkindle [delay] -> DWT -> Tri-D -> Fester [10-11 secs left on pot] -> R3 -> R3 -> R3/R2 -> Fester [1-2 secs left on pot] -> Deathflare [before pot ends]

Now what I want is to squeeze 2 festers in my raging (20)+pot (15) +DWT (15) because it's that good especially when it crits, also I get more time to R3s. I want to setup a timeline for this opener to enhance the efficiency. Contagion can be squeezed anywhere because it can be activated during a GCD of Ruin 3. My best burst was a crit on festers 5K and one 7k crit on deathflare without a pot/food or a nin. i189 with the i200 weapon. Any suggestions/advice? :c

[Sleigh]

The opener I use:

B2 > M > B > Swift + Fester > Shadowflare > Rouse + Spur > R2 > Pot > R2 > RS + Pain > R2 > Fester + DWT > R2 > Aether + Enkindle > R2 > 3D > R3 > R2 > Fester > R3 > R2 > Deathflare

Advantages: no clipping, ASAP Shadow, pot hits Pain + Fester + DWT Fester, get into DWT within 7 GCDs which helps if you pop Litany on the pull, can be a final R3 > hardcast Deathflare if you have Selene or massive SS like these dumb i210 pants give.

The opener you use:

Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Painflare -> Fester -> R2 -> Swiftcast -> Rouse -> Shadowflare -> Spur -> Raging -> R2 -> Painflare -> Aetherflow -> R2 -> Pot -> R2 [Bio is dropping] -> Enkindle [delay] -> DWT -> Tri-D -> Fester [10-11 secs left on pot] -> R3 -> R3 -> R3/R2 -> Fester [1-2 secs left on pot] -> Deathflare [before pot ends]

Advantages directly compared to mine: Pot hits DWT Fester X2 + Deathflare

Disadvantage directly compared to mine: Trading a Fester for a Painflare in the long run, less stacks to use on Bane or Painflare or staggering Fester to use after initial DWT, some clipping (which doesn't matter much for SMN unless it cuts you off from something), lose an attack in DWT, slightly slower DWT activation which may or may not impact you based on TA/Litany (could also benefit you I suppose!)

The opener I use, I never really intended for it to catch on as something people use, was just something a buddy and I whipped up after comparing our ARR opener with Hai Hai's opener and merged them. It could probably benefit from some tweaking but there will always be downsides to the compromises in some ways so I haven't really found something that's just straight up, this is better period (in which case I would start using THAT opener).

[Minorinz]

Let's just say with a bard and BV with a buffed Fester x2 + deathflare, it's really that good of a burst that it will cover up the 2pf/1f opener 100 potency loss. If only there was a calculator to sum up the GCDs + total potency gain of each opener.

to see it somewhat realistically:
DWT > R2 (2.4 gcd)> Aether + Enkindle > R2(2.4 sec gcd) > 3D > R3 (2.4 sec gcd) > R2 (2.4 sec gcd) > Fester > R3 (2.4 sec gcd) > R2 (2.4 sec gcd) > Deathflare == (2.4 x 6 = 14.4 seconds out of 15 secs with absolutely perfected execution) I'm not including the R2 prior to DWT which i know it will clip the next cast so it's a 15/15 with 0 ping or no lag

DWT -> Tri-D -> Fester [10-11 secs left on pot] -> R3 (2.4) -> R3 (2.4) -> R3/R2 (2.4) -> Fester [1-2 secs left on pot] -> Deathflare [before pot ends] == (2.4 x 3 = 7.2 secs out of 15 secs) means you can squeeze 1 extra ruin 3 and endure some clipping with a full pot duration.

In this scenario I'm assuming the recast time is 2.38 or 2.4 seconds. Am I missing something? Still trying to understand it. ;w;