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  1. #421
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    Thrustie's Avatar
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    Beck Eldrin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phireblast View Post
    What are your hotbars looking like? Are you utilizing R2+L2 and L2+R2? With those extensions, you can fit pretty much all of its skills without the need of "manual" hotbar switching for Monk since it's (thankfully) not action bloated.
    Yeah my problem is I just duplicated my L2 and R2 combinations with the same moves so now my muscle memory is trained to think that I can hit them in any order and end up with the same skills. In retrospect, that was dumb. But we didn't have as many skills so I wasn't worried about it at the time. I could try to train myself off it but it'll be ugly for awhile so I'm trying to convince myself fracture isn't worth it.
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  2. #422
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    Zami Terrechant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butcherboy View Post
    i try doing vthat and either DK or MD would fall off so im having issue applying it. im fallowing Zam idea to apply Frac when DK is 4-5 sec from falling off. but heres a question do u apply after SP like DK(4-5) Fracture Twin SP or DK(4-5) Twin SP farcture. cause right now the moment i hit 4-5 second on DK i apply it as soon as possible.
    you apply it just before you refresh DK in my example, so when DK is at 3-4s, instead of using DK, you instead use fracture, then you go back to DK
    think of fracture as a move you can only use in opo-opo, but it doesnt change your form.

    this may sound a little confusing, but tbh im slightly confused with your wording as well
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    Last edited by Zamii; 08-10-2015 at 03:10 PM.

  3. #423
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    Like Butter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrustie View Post
    Yeah my problem is I just duplicated my L2 and R2 combinations with the same moves so now my muscle memory is trained to think that I can hit them in any order and end up with the same skills. In retrospect, that was dumb. But we didn't have as many skills so I wasn't worried about it at the time. I could try to train myself off it but it'll be ugly for awhile so I'm trying to convince myself fracture isn't worth it.
    Ive got the same controller setup, although I found putting an action onto L3/R3 (put limitbreak on there) has been a big help so far.
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  4. #424
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    Butcherboy's Avatar
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    Commodore Butcherboy
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zamii View Post
    you apply it just before you refresh DK in my example, so when DK is at 3-4s, instead of using DK, you instead use fracture, then you go back to DK
    think of fracture as a move you can only use in opo-opo, but it doesnt change your form.

    this may sound a little confusing, but tbh im slightly confused with your wording as well
    ok i tried this. this might help im ilvl 183 and i have 556 SS. so i fracture before refreshing DK, but then my DK would be around 1 sec left some itll fall of and seathing there with no dk for 1 sec.
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  5. #425
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    Odowla Wetae
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    This is a rather long, tbh video that shows why I believe a MNK is one of the best DPS to bring along to a party.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUsWd93psc
    6:14 Parse with nearly 1.1k DPS at i174. 1.1k Would've happened if i didn't botch the opener and got 2 potions in this run. Either way, totally solo, except for chocobo for party buff.
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  6. #426
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    Beck Eldrin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letts View Post
    Ive got the same controller setup, although I found putting an action onto L3/R3 (put limitbreak on there) has been a big help so far.
    Didn't realize you could map to those so thanks for that. I use L3 for lock on though I can only use R3. I already had LB off my main hotbars though so it didn't really free a spot up. I'm thinking I'll swap fracture in for rock breaker on raids that don't require AOE since I would pretty much never use both in the same fight.
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  7. #427
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    Zami Terrechant
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    Monk Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Butcherboy View Post
    ok i tried this. this might help im ilvl 183 and i have 556 SS. so i fracture before refreshing DK, but then my DK would be around 1 sec left some itll fall of and seathing there with no dk for 1 sec.
    it sounds to me like your not constant enough with your skills, if your not delaying your skills then the timers should line up nicely
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  8. #428
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    Mike Fisticuffison
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    Famfrit
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    Monk Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrustie View Post
    Didn't realize you could map to those so thanks for that. I use L3 for lock on though I can only use R3. I already had LB off my main hotbars though so it didn't really free a spot up. I'm thinking I'll swap fracture in for rock breaker on raids that don't require AOE since I would pretty much never use both in the same fight.
    Here's my current setup that allows all skills+your LB. You'll be short of a spot for a potion if you even bother using that, but you can probably drop featherfoot or one inch for it. With this setup, my R3 button can remain my lock on button(since auto attacks are VERY important for monks.27% of your overall dps is no joke)

    When weapon drawn:



    L2+R2 held:


    R2+L2 Held:


    You pretty much can fit all of your skills+cross classes.
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  9. #429
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    Beck Eldrin
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    Yeah see I wish I had trained myself to use the R2+L2 combos separately instead of duplicating them. But now I'd have to retrain myself to use it like you do.

    As an aside, don't you find it awkward having GCD skills mapped to the directional keys? I had it that way at first but found it difficult to hit GCDs while moving. Now all my GCDs are mapped to my buttons.
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  10. #430
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    Vita Rena
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    Tonberry
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    Monk Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrustie View Post
    Yeah see I wish I had trained myself to use the R2+L2 combos separately instead of duplicating them. But now I'd have to retrain myself to use it like you do.

    As an aside, don't you find it awkward having GCD skills mapped to the directional keys? I had it that way at first but found it difficult to hit GCDs while moving. Now all my GCDs are mapped to my buttons.
    I myself prefer to have GCD skills on face buttons, it allows me to move while using them, good for things like medication and form shift. All oGCD will be on the dpad, I keep this consistent so it's easy to know where my skills are. I macro Fist of Fire and Fist of Earth together, but I don't really change fist stance much anyway. Since I am playing on PC I have pots on my KB numpad, so I can just press the numpad while using controller with 1 hand.
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