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  1. #31
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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_Berry View Post
    I like how they said that EVERY job will have to perform at it's maximum in order to clear content, but it seems that it's only the DPS they were referring to.
    It IS every job.
    Tanks will have to perform their maximum DPS
    Healers will have to perform their maximum DPS

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  2. #32
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    Shuri's Avatar
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    Shuri Aegis
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    Cerberus
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiston View Post
    Yes.

    But to expand on the reasoning why it's important is because the game is designed with certain DPS checks at a certain level of gear.
    What? enrage timers have existed for pretty much most MMO bosses for the majority of MMOs... doesn't mean they had to buff tank damage.

    I agree with OP - I miss the times where tanks were there to generate threat, mitigate damage and stop others from dying. Look at PLD in XI, or vanilla WoW warriors. That's what tanking should be.
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  3. #33
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    M'irau Rhya
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Julienne View Post
    Back in my day, we played games for their story. I always come to these forums thinking, "Oh man! I can't wait to read about what people think of the characters and the plot!".....And then I find 300+ threads bitching about DPS. Almost enough to make me throw my computer out my window. Yes, I'm a filthy casual. I agree with you though.
    There is a section dedicated for that called "Lore" tough.
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  4. #34
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    Tamsus Sostas
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Drtoxicmedica View Post
    Sure you can clear content while not focusing on being the best at your job but then again you can't complain when people say your just average.
    Doing DPS as a healer or a tank is not in the job description. Their jobs are to heal and to tank.

    Doing more than healing and tanking should be: "Wow you're super excellent! You went above and beyond, and the content (which did not require the assistance of your DPS) was made much easier by your contribution."

    Rather than: "YOUR DPS SUCKS GIT GUD SCRUB DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO DO YOUR F***ING JOB? WHY DID YOU EVEN CHOOSE TO BE A HEALER IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DPS???"

    Imagine mechanics that force healers to heal and tanks to tank.
    Like this: During the DPS check a 5 sec doom that jumps from player to player when you esuna it, so you have to continuously esuna during the check while the other healer heals. Meanwhile, there's a tether that deals constant damage that the tanks have to pick up because they're the only ones who can survive it, thus the other healer's purpose. It's require a tank swap, tank stance, and CD's.
    DPS checks should belong to the DPS. Forcing healers and tanks to deal damage to the point that people bitch about needing more DPS is the product of laziness on the developers' part. They aren't "pushing every job to perform at the maximum of it's potential," they're pushing every job to the maximum of it's DPS potential, and it's causing friction.
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    Last edited by Yhximott; 08-11-2015 at 06:58 AM.

  5. #35
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    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    i think the DDs are just lazy or bad o.o/ it's not my job as a healer to play two different classes at the same time while the DDs take the backseat to their loot :X
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  6. #36
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    C'eleanor Greywolfe
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Probably because SE is currently obsessed with dps checks.
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  7. #37
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    Iagainsti Kilamanjiro
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    Zalera
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    Marauder Lv 60
    I should point out, as a warrior in 2.0, I was out boxed by the pld/pld combo in bcob progression because the turn 1 hoodswipes were ridiculously overpowered for i70. Honestly, we had to grind out for 2weeks to score the af1 pants and pray the chest dropped so we could progress to turn 2. Savage came out two weeks ago. Once we gear up a bit, you won't see complainer threads pop like this till the next savage Alex comes along.
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  8. #38
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    Bovinity Divinity
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Shuri View Post
    I agree with OP - I miss the times where tanks were there to generate threat, mitigate damage and stop others from dying. Look at PLD in XI, or vanilla WoW warriors. That's what tanking should be.
    No thanks, I don't want to go back to the days of tickling normal quest mobs for an hour because I'm a tank and "tanks don't do damage".
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  9. #39
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    Kaden Sun
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 60
    I would also like to add that the DPS obsession has contributed to the community mindset of "Bring the Job, not the player" when comes to Statics determining which Jobs they should bring to Savage Alexander for putting out the maximum DPS numbers. So far, the best Savage raid composition is:

    Tanks
    * Warrior
    * Dark knight

    Healers
    * White Mage
    * Scholar

    Damage Dealers
    * Dragoon
    * Ninja
    * Black Mage/Summoner
    * Bard/Machinist

    Paladins, Monks, and especially Astrologians are now the three least sought after jobs in Alexander Gordias Savage. I got messages from PF Statics ranging from "Sorry, were not interested in bringing a PLD/MNK/AST into our static group." to "LOL! Go reroll!"
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  10. #40
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    Kaden Sun
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    Behemoth
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    Paladin Lv 60
    In many new startup Statics, nobody wants a Paladin because of they have the lowest DPS of the 3 tanks especially when they're using Shield Oath. Warriors have Maim to offset their 25% overall DPS loss plus they also have have Unchained. A good Warrior MT can quickly squeeze in 3 Fell Cleaves before going back into Defiance. Dark Knights are able the have Darkside up at the same time with Grit.
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