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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    I don't know what WoW you were playing, but every healer was supposed to DPS as well. Disc was just the best healer WHILE DPSing. Holy had a Chakra for that. Fistweaving was a thing. I know you can't have forgotten Shockadins. Even Druids and Shamans were supposed to DPS. I know for a fact there was some bonus for my heals if I DPSed while healing on a Shaman. And tanks there were also supposed to DPS. That's why they made Vengeance a thing, so even the MT could beat things down. So if you're going to use WoW as an example of why healers should get to be lazy and not DPS, you're doing it wrong.
    Not only you are making stuff up (because in WoW healers spend 101% of the time healing at the highest difficulties), you completely missed the point Alisi was trying to make.
    Alisi was talking about wanting encounters to challenge a Healer through Healing-related mechanics.
    When Healing is trivial and what makes a good healer is how much DPS he can do while healing, then that's not challenging his ability to Heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurvus View Post
    Not only you are making stuff up (because in WoW healers spend 101% of the time healing at the highest difficulties), you completely missed the point Alisi was trying to make.
    Alisi was talking about wanting encounters to challenge a Healer through Healing-related mechanics.
    When Healing is trivial and what makes a good healer is how much DPS he can do while healing, then that's not challenging his ability to Heal.
    Alright. Time to drop some knowledge.

    Let's start with Shamans. Conductivity. Level 75 Talent. Extends the duration of your Healing Rain while you cast DPS spells. Telluric Currents. Level 10 ability. Causes several DPS spells to have no DPS cost... But we're not supposed to DPS.

    Monks. I don't even have to go into their talents. They were literally designed around causing healing while they DPS. Hence the term FISTWEAVING.

    Druids. Heart of the Wild. Increases your ability to do literally anything but heal. Level 90 Talent. OR, in that very same tier, Nature's Vigil. For 30 seconds all attacks and heals radiate healing effect to nearby allies. 20% for heals, 40%! for attacks. But Druids aren't supposed to attack either.

    Paladins. Supplication. Level 34 ability. For 8 seconds after YOU KILL AN ENEMY, your Flash of Light (healing spell) will be increased by 50% and has 100% increased Critical Chance. Selfless healer. Level 45 Talent. Your Judgements (attack spell) reduce the Mana cost and cast time of your Flash of Light. Stacks 3 times. Nope! No DPS here.

    Priests. Discipline Priest. Atonement. I really don't have to say a damn thing after this.

    Priests. Holy Priest. Power Word: Solace. Level 45 Talent. Strike an enemy to regain mana, and heal a nearby target for 100% of the damage, or 50% if it heals the Priest. Twist of Fate. Level 75 Healer Talent. Increases damage and healing dealt when healing a target below 35% Or how about the big one. Chakra: Chastise. Level 56 Ability. Increases the damage of Shadow and Holy spells by 50%. Converts your Holy Word spell into Holy Word: Chastise. Which is an attack, if you didn't know. But nope. Even with a stance for DPSing, priests aren't supposed to DPS, either.

    Next time you wanna call me out for posting incorrect information, maybe you should actually know what you are talking about yourself. Every single healer in the game had a bonus to their healing somewhere along the way if they DPSed as well, or in Holy Priest's case, a complete DPS stance.

    Just like here, a healer could add to the DPS of the group, but unlike here, it was actually partially beneficial to the healer itself to do so. Here, there is no reason to DPS as a healer, other than to add to the DPS. In WoW, you increased your power by alternating DPS and healing abilities. No. You were not supposed to go ham on the boss, like you are here. That's not what I was saying. I was saying that yeah, you did DPS. Maybe not fully, but you were always tossing something at the boss to keep your stacks up. When you tie in Mana regen into several offensive abilities, you really had no choice, unless you wanted to go OOM. A healer who did not DPS a little was gimping themselves, and by extension their party.

    Do I like the fact that the challenge is to push out as much DPS as possible, while keeping the minimum amount of heals required for your group? Hell no. But let's be real here. That's not going to change. There will always be healers expected to DPS during fights that require DPS checks. When your DPS classes can't cut it, the burden falls onto the tanks and healers to make it up. Is there another way to design an encounter, though? That's really the question. When there are hard enrages, you have no choice but to put out as much damage as possible. But if you don't put in hard enrages, people cheese the fight completely. Look at T2 for a good example of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alisi View Post
    Honestly, I think it's laziness on SE's part. They should specifically make raids challenging to all three jobs.
    Well said. There are so few mechanics for healers. I'd rather spend my time dealing with those instead of DPSing because there is nothing else to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moqi View Post
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    Glad I'm not the only one! I love this game but the healing aspect is disappointing. It feels a bit like we're glorified DPS with some extra buttons. In other games, it felt like our contributions mattered. You'd heal for Thok and it was healers that ultimately controlled the phases he went into or you'd get bosses that you'd have to heal up (or half heal, half kill) or there'd be mobs that need to be healed fully else there'd be raid wide damage after a very short time or debuff that multiply like bunnies if not caught and removed the second after they were placed on the raid member.

    There was none of this 'oh, you're a bad healer because you're not DPSing your heart out' because there was a role for you and it was important, and recognized and respected for what it was. You were a good healer because you could deal with all that and keep the raid alive, not because you were good at DPSing while raiding.
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