Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
I never claimed that, merely that the potential differences between tanks probably isn't going to be the make or break, which I think is the gist of this thread, the picking of diff classes and how pld dps is lower than other classes.

My example was a conservative estimate that shows how little potential tank dps variance matters. Not as a realistic you need this much dps.

People have certainly cleared a1s with a pld...it is pretty weird to for example, have a raid team ask their tank to go drk or war because they can't make a dps check. That is not the onus of the tank.
Is it? Because Elysium just got a world first clear in a3 savage by changing their pally to a drk specifically to meet the a3 savage enrage after just getting a world first clear of a2 with a pally and warrior. In savage content TEAM DPS is what matters. The dps checks CANNOT be made by the dps alone and some potato tanks just taking hits at current gear levels. The team needs to produce an amount of dps greater than the max potential of just what the dps can put out. This means that tank dps is extremely relevant at this point in savage. As people gear up further this will become less of an issue and the checks will become more lenient over time.

As for other content this doesn't matter at all. Most dps checks can be met with the tank on auto attack and the dps wrecking it. But the insinuation that if you aren't meeting a dps checks, its not the tanks fault is disingenuous in the current savage raid. You have some of the absolute best players in this game outwrdly proving this to be false and evidence trumps rhetoric any day of the week. This is also why I say that teams who try and apply themselves to strict "roles" ala "tanks aren't dps and healers should just heal" are the ones who are limiting and handicapping themselves. The current hardcore raid content makes healer and tank dps an absolute necessity, not an option. Good teams will do whats necessary to win.