Dark Knight, or Paladin?

[pandabearcat]

I don't see anyone parsing 800 dps as a pld on dummy, if they also keep up rage for the damage debuff (and likely, if they're mt, aggro issues).

No pot no food, on a dummy since PLD has literally no variation or skill in its rotation, does around 670-700 with sword oath at ilvl185 w/ hive weapon.

With shield oath its down to around 460-500.

[Freyyy]

I don't see anyone parsing 800 dps as a pld on dummy, if they also keep up rage for the damage debuff (and likely, if they're mt, aggro issues).

No pot no food, on a dummy since PLD has literally no variation or skill in its rotation, does around 670-700 with sword oath at ilvl185 w/ hive weapon.

With shield oath its down to around 460-500.

No pot, no food, on a dummy, I do around 810+ with sword oath at ilvl188 with hive weapon. And that's without the slashing debuff.

Make sure you get 2 Goring Blade, 2 CoS, SW and 3 full RA combos during your FoF.

[pandabearcat]

No pot, no food, on a dummy, I do around 810+ with sword oath at ilvl188 with hive weapon. And that's without the slashing debuff.

Make sure you get 2 Goring Blade, 2 CoS, SW and 3 full RA combos during your FoF.

There is no way not to lol, unless you just afk. When are you stopping your parse? I'm just not seeing the damage people are saying. Either I am not parsing dots correctly or people are posting inflated parses.

Also please note I am talking about using RoH instead of RA, if you're keeping up the debuff, instead of double RA. I don't feel that is a representative dps number unless you are OT as a pld, which is just...the worst.

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

Doesn't matter how much you parse on a dummy. Dummies do not represent real fight and only succeed in inflating the DPS gap between classes.

Also sacrificing 10% STR debuff for extra DPS is NOT a bad trade-off. WAR lets Storm Path drop for Storm's Edge when main tanking and it does NOT kill them. Btw, Storm's Path is far more potent than 10% STR debuff.

If a DRK parses 100 DPS ahead of PLD on a dummy, then the gap is even less than 100 in real fights. If, for god knows whatever reason, 100 DPS is what you were missing to meet that enrage timer, you have bigger problems. Hint: It is NOT the tank!!

[Dante_V]

Doesn't matter how much you parse on a dummy. Dummies do not represent real fight and only succeed in inflating the DPS gap between classes.

Also sacrificing 10% STR debuff for extra DPS is NOT a bad trade-off. WAR lets Storm Path drop for Storm's Edge when main tanking and it does NOT kill them. Btw, Storm's Path is far more potent than 10% STR debuff.


If a DRK parses 100 DPS ahead of PLD on a dummy, then the gap is even less than 100 in real fights. If, for god knows whatever reason, 100 DPS is what you were missing to meet that enrage timer, you have bigger problems. Hint: It is NOT the tank!!

This is completely disingenuous. Anyone who has fought faust on release can tell you that even with 4 dps pulling max numbers the check is unattainable without tank DPS. The savage fights are outwardly designed to require large amounts of tank and even healer dps on release. the tanks NEED to be pulling 600+ at least if not more depending on party comp. The reality of hardcore content is that dps matter a lot and considering the rate of success of A1 savage clears across the board (or lack thereof,) it's pretty disingenuous to assume that tank dps shouldn't matter when it objectively does. If you can't pull at LEAST 600+ dps on your tank you have no place on a savage progression team at this point.

Also pound for pound when MTing, drk pulls ahead of paladin substantially as drk can use dps stance and tank stance at the same time while pallys cannot. This further exacerbates the damage differential between the two when compared as MT on fights. The difference between their dps is GREATER on fights than on dummies where they are not in tank stance.