Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Dracosavarian]

That's great. But why couldn't they watch videos or read a guide beforehand?

MrHappy's videos are easy to understand and detailed. MTQCapture's videos are easy to understand and are concise. They can be watched, or text guides can be read prior to going into the duty, and doing so is more considerate of your fellow human beings.

Then you could have cleared them without wipes and without having to hold up 8 people to type out explanations.

I'm definitely a hands-on learner myself, yet I still make sure I am well aware of mechanics prior to going in. I may still mess up in practice due to lack of experience, but I understand the mechanics and how they work in my mind.

I do not feel it's considerate of the other 3/7/23 people to hold themselves up and explain to me what I could have gotten from a video or text guide prior to entering.

The question should moreso be...why do you yourself have an issue with someone asking for a brief rundown of the mechanics and for that to be briefly explained when you are using Duty Finder, knowing full well you may run into this? Or the rest of the group for that matter. Know how many new players I've run into low level dungeons of late? A lot. I still help them. Even when they screw up.

But...I'll humor you.

The answer is, they shouldn't have to. A dungeon, or even a raid, should not be the equivalent of a teacher slamming down a stack of books and saying to someone, test is in 5 minutes. Read all of this. The first groups that delved into that dungeon for the very first time did not have benefit of videos. They had to learn on their own. No one expects them to delve into matters like others in this community apparently do 5 minutes after Mr Happy puts a video up.

It's 2 weeks out now from when heavensward was launched. 2 Weeks. It should not be unexpected that you are going to run into people who are new. Getting up in arms about this is the height of hilarity to me. It just is. Moreover, I view it as people basically feeling they are more important than others. Basically, to me, it's the height of arrogance and pride. You view yourself as more important than the other person. Your time, in a game of all things, as more valuable than helping them learn.

Others who are genuine when they ask for help, or when they say Hey I've watched a vid but I don't remember everything. Can you summarize it again? But no, they are shunned and met with silence, and then rage and a kick when they screw up because no one spoke up, despite how hard they may have tried.

I watch MTQ's videos to summarize things. I find her videos far more concise than Mr Happy's who tends to drone on forever and forever and drives me insane with nigh on infinite levels of rage because I feel the dude just doesn't get to the point. But that's my personal opinion in regards to his work. Even then, even with my research, I still don't remember everything going in my first time. I still ask the members in my party for a brief synopsis at the boss after I say "Here's what I remember"

And you know what? They take the time to tell me. Because the group relies on me to keep the mob from chewing their face off. Kind of important. Aside from that though, I'd like to think that those who do speak up are just being kind and helpful.

Long story short, if you are in DF, no one should expect anything. Period. But people are. Seeing a Party Finder Listing saying "Know the fight!" is one thing. When you sign up for that party and you don't know anything, or ask questions there saying you are new...you get what you deserve.

But Duty Finder is another beast altogether. Like or not, the entire group of you, all random, is basically dumped on an island and stranded for lack of better terms. Survival depends on teamwork.

Just like Real Life, everyone is not going to know everything. How do you survive? By working together and helping others. If you were stranded on said island and didn't know how to make a fire via primitive methods to warm yourself, and I did...I would not hoard that knowledge. I'd help you. Because ultimately my survival depends on you surviving as well.

A rough analogy, but the basic point is the same. You are all thrown together. Like it or not, that is the result. Yes, you can do a kick. But doing so when someone is genuinely trying to learn only makes the group who did the kicking the jerks in the end. They are the bad guys. Not the newbie.