Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

[Nocturcity]

Regarding our new abilities?

You can't complain about Elixir Field, the move is awesome.

Form Shift is a LIFE SAVER. There is not a single fight typically where I don't use it.

Tornado Kick is perfect the way it is right now, it is INTENDED to be situational. There is no need to increase it's potency or else it will infringe into our normal rotation creating the need to use it on CD, which is just stupid.

Purification is whatever, yet to use it much except A2.

MNK is still alright this patch, here's screenshot of some DPS from the leaderboards of Elysium showing the comparison between the melee DPS.

http://imgur.com/PWiuaS,aE0is#0

Keep in mind that no one is even trying in Alex right now, hell the top MNK in the FC hasn't even bothered submitting parses for Normal Mode.

There's a lot more dumb things said in this thread (except Hak you ok) that I could address but really don't feel like taking a swim through that shit.

[Zamii]

Keep in mind that no one is even trying in Alex right now, hell the top MNK in the FC hasn't even bothered submitting parses for Normal Mode.

i'll be perfectly honest, im rather disappointed by your monks, and dragoons arnt doing much better, im guessing this is just from the not trying but even so...

im curious though, who would you consider the top monk?

[Nocturcity]

i'll be perfectly honest, im rather disappointed by your monks, and dragoons arnt doing much better, im guessing this is just from the not trying but even so...

im curious though, who would you consider the top monk?

Most of us consider Chyea the top MNK.

And yeah I can't really speak for the others but most of the parses submitted are just for farming runs, no one bothers using pots/food usually, when Savage drops is when I expect things to get competitive. Around that time the leaderboards might be public too.

[Carstien]

Most of us consider Chyea the top MNK.

And yeah I can't really speak for the others but most of the parses submitted are just for farming runs, no one bothers using pots/food usually, when Savage drops is when I expect things to get competitive. Around that time the leaderboards might be public too.

You're not the top monk? I'm disappointed in you.

[Vulpes_Viridis]

Regarding our new abilities?

You can't complain about Elixir Field, the move is awesome.

Form Shift is a LIFE SAVER. There is not a single fight typically where I don't use it.

Tornado Kick is perfect the way it is right now, it is INTENDED to be situational. There is no need to increase it's potency or else it will infringe into our normal rotation creating the need to use it on CD, which is just stupid.

Purification is whatever, yet to use it much except A2.

MNK is still alright this patch, here's screenshot of some DPS from the leaderboards of Elysium showing the comparison between the melee DPS.

http://imgur.com/PWiuaS,aE0is#0

Keep in mind that no one is even trying in Alex right now, hell the top MNK in the FC hasn't even bothered submitting parses for Normal Mode.

There's a lot more dumb things said in this thread (except Hak you ok) that I could address but really don't feel like taking a swim through that shit.

I'm not complaining about the new abilities. Like you said, Elixir Field and Form Shift are awesome. But let's be honest : Why do you think they added Form Shift ?
Its' pretty simple, if they didn't, 90% of the 3.X would have fights like T6-T11 (took a break here so don't know about T12/T13) where the Boss is basically just a dummy (except T9). With Form Shift, they can now safely add other mechanics without handicapping Monks as much as before. So, if we look at it that way then it's obvious that this or something similar had to be added.
Although you say Monks are still alright and I do agree with you, it's not what I'm pointing at here. Let's pretend Monks are support Melee, Dragoon the offensiv one and NIN are a mix of them. What exclusiv utilities (for Melee) do they got since their DPS are almost equivalent with a slight advantage for DRG ?

- Dragoon :
Piercing debuff increasing his own, Bard and Machinist DPS (Part of rotation)
15% Crit increase for group during 20s (Recast 180s)

-Ninja :
Slashing debuff increasing his own and tank's DPS, same as WAR debuff. If applied by WAR, NIN DPS is increased since he can skip that for a stronger skill (Part of rotation)
10s single target physical damage increase (Recast 60s)
TP Regen on one party member (Recast 180s)
20s aggro reduction on party member (Recast 180s)
15s aggro increase on party member (Recast 120s)

- Monk
20% group heal increased during 15s (Recast 120s)
Blunt debuff increasing only his own DPS and applying 10% INT debuff on target (Part of rotation). Not equal to DRK debuff, since he doesn't apply blunt debuff. So DRK doesn't increase MNK DPS. DRK makes only MNK useless in same group

Now we have the facts, let's put ourself in other job's PoV and except for healers I think everybody would prefer playing with a DRG or NIN, unless it's another MNK and that's the actual problem I'm seeing here, not the DPS.