Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

**Carstien** · 07-19-2015 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Nocturcity

Most of us consider Chyea the top MNK.

And yeah I can't really speak for the others but most of the parses submitted are just for farming runs, no one bothers using pots/food usually, when Savage drops is when I expect things to get competitive. Around that time the leaderboards might be public too.

You're not the top monk? I'm disappointed in you.

**Vulpes_Viridis** · 07-17-2015 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Nocturcity

Regarding our new abilities?

You can't complain about Elixir Field, the move is awesome.

Form Shift is a LIFE SAVER. There is not a single fight typically where I don't use it.

Tornado Kick is perfect the way it is right now, it is INTENDED to be situational. There is no need to increase it's potency or else it will infringe into our normal rotation creating the need to use it on CD, which is just stupid.

Purification is whatever, yet to use it much except A2.

MNK is still alright this patch, here's screenshot of some DPS from the leaderboards of Elysium showing the comparison between the melee DPS.

http://imgur.com/PWiuaS,aE0is#0

Keep in mind that no one is even trying in Alex right now, hell the top MNK in the FC hasn't even bothered submitting parses for Normal Mode.

There's a lot more dumb things said in this thread (except Hak you ok) that I could address but really don't feel like taking a swim through that shit.

I'm not complaining about the new abilities. Like you said, Elixir Field and Form Shift are awesome. But let's be honest : Why do you think they added Form Shift ?
Its' pretty simple, if they didn't, 90% of the 3.X would have fights like T6-T11 (took a break here so don't know about T12/T13) where the Boss is basically just a dummy (except T9). With Form Shift, they can now safely add other mechanics without handicapping Monks as much as before. So, if we look at it that way then it's obvious that this or something similar had to be added.
Although you say Monks are still alright and I do agree with you, it's not what I'm pointing at here. Let's pretend Monks are support Melee, Dragoon the offensiv one and NIN are a mix of them. What exclusiv utilities (for Melee) do they got since their DPS are almost equivalent with a slight advantage for DRG ?

- Dragoon :
Piercing debuff increasing his own, Bard and Machinist DPS (Part of rotation)
15% Crit increase for group during 20s (Recast 180s)

-Ninja :
Slashing debuff increasing his own and tank's DPS, same as WAR debuff. If applied by WAR, NIN DPS is increased since he can skip that for a stronger skill (Part of rotation)
10s single target physical damage increase (Recast 60s)
TP Regen on one party member (Recast 180s)
20s aggro reduction on party member (Recast 180s)
15s aggro increase on party member (Recast 120s)

- Monk
20% group heal increased during 15s (Recast 120s)
Blunt debuff increasing only his own DPS and applying 10% INT debuff on target (Part of rotation). Not equal to DRK debuff, since he doesn't apply blunt debuff. So DRK doesn't increase MNK DPS. DRK makes only MNK useless in same group

Now we have the facts, let's put ourself in other job's PoV and except for healers I think everybody would prefer playing with a DRG or NIN, unless it's another MNK and that's the actual problem I'm seeing here, not the DPS.

**Craiger** · 07-17-2015 05:41 AM

I'm still annoyed by the fact that pretty much everything new for MNK is about downtime, and I think this could be an opportunity to change that(doubt it though). If you somehow got Chakra stacks every X seconds(or after certain amount of weaponskills used etc), you would obviously output more DPS, and you would still get to use Meditation during downtime like now.

They wouldn't have to decrease the potency of Forbidden Chakra like we thought before, since we're behind on DPS anyways.

Purification would actually make more sense too, since it's when there's little downtime that you really need TP...

Some more utility like have been mentioned, would be nice, but this is much more important IMO.

EDIT: Also... yeah, those Elysium leaderboard numbers can't be them trying too hard. I've gotten higher than those without using pots, and I'm usually a fair bit behind those guys. I expect I'll fall behind again for Savage

**Ossom** · 07-17-2015 11:22 AM

I wouldn't say Lucrezia's Monk kinda sucks. His rotation (opener) was probably the best one I've seen in 2.0 Other than that I don't know anything about DnT monks, the only Monk I think I know from DnT is Odowola (Parden the spelling) and I'm pretty sure he switched to back to Dragoon before HW dropped too. Though hes a better Monk than me too lol

**Zamii** · 07-17-2015 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Ossom

I wouldn't say Lucrezia's Monk kinda sucks. His rotation (opener) was probably the best one I've seen in 2.0 Other than that I don't know anything about DnT monks, the only Monk I think I know from DnT is Odowola (Parden the spelling) and I'm pretty sure he switched to back to Dragoon before HW dropped too. Though hes a better Monk than me too lol

i only said the lucrezia monk sucked from a progression group standpoint, as far as typical monks go, hes still way up there, but if you look at the monks dps in that T10 where the blm did 700 dps, you'll notice is extremely low compared to some other parses around, i even remember hak mentioning it at the time.

**Penguin** · 07-17-2015 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Zamii

i only said the lucrezia monk sucked from a progression group standpoint, as far as typical monks go, hes still way up there, but if you look at the monks dps in that T10 where the blm did 700 dps, you'll notice is extremely low compared to some other parses around, i even remember hak mentioning it at the time.

I don't think that was the same monk they use for their world progression group firstly and you could go as far as saying the same for the other 2 dps that weren't the blm if you are going to base the numbers purely off the highest possible cherry picked parses that people have posted.

Also since you mentioned that you thought DnT's monks were way better i would point out in the old monk thread Odowla made a post a short time before echo was added to final coil that he had finally broken 600 on T11 and was the only monk in DnT to do so, something which pretty much all "top tier" monks were consistently hitting every week way before he made that post.
And honestly I'm not trying to take anything away from Odowla because although I've never played with him I'm sure hes a great player but I'm just making the point that taking a few parses and comparing them without actual context is extremely stupid.

What i do know is their main progression monk has cleared the last few tiers of content faster than any other monk in the game and that included Bahamut which was basically just a dps check.

**Ricdeau** · 07-18-2015 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Penguin

I'm just making the point that taking a few parses and comparing them without actual context is extremely stupid.

This is an important point, and is often ignored by many with just raw comparisons of numbers. So many factors to consider outside just a raw number at the end of a fight. Group comp, fight strat, etc can all greatly change the maximum damage potential for that scenario.

**Zamii** · 07-18-2015 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Penguin

I don't think that was the same monk they use for their world progression group firstly and you could go as far as saying the same for the other 2 dps that weren't the blm if you are going to base the numbers purely off the highest possible cherry picked parses that people have posted.

hmm, you could be right that it wasnt the same monk they use for progression, but either way, they were far to low to be just considered a bad run, need to be a lot more consistent for top tier, so my point still stands

**Kuroyasha** · 07-18-2015 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Zamii

hmm, you could be right that it wasnt the same monk they use for progression, but either way, they were far to low to be just considered a bad run, need to be a lot more consistent for top tier, so my point still stands

Yea the main monk that got world first isn't in Lucrezia anymore. Hasn't been for some months now. Moved to Carbuncle and started his own FC. Recently moved to another server and joined an FC ( I forget the name of it). Spoke with him when he visited Gilgamesh one morning(was the most random stuff when I recognized the name lol). This was before Elysium formed, as he noted how they payed attention to DnT and CL. He won't be doing world progression this time around b/c of real life and work. But yea the world first monk is pretty beastly. Rialmer Laurens is his char name. The best melee in Lucrezia last I checked were Lito Nyan(Currently has a name like Bahamut clws plz (drg)), Chloro Cradle(the nin), and him before he left.

**Hakmatic** · 07-17-2015 12:23 PM

I'm the top monk.... Or atleast I think so

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