Thread: Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

Originally Posted by Tila

Kinda obvious why Monk would be highest DPS. They offer the least utility of any other melee DPS. If they don't have the highest dps then they are pointless to take unless you dont have a DRK. Is any other class invalidated entirely by the inclusion of another class?

That's how DRGs felt, especially when NIN released. The only buff we had to another party member was for the BRD. Lowest damage melee, positional issues, MDEF deaths that couldn't be avoided...And then the buffs happened, bringing us a bit more in line with the other melees. Then 3.0 happened. I am of the impression that MNK will get a little more oopmh at some point. But remember, other classes have felt your pain.

Although I main DRG, I did play MNK quite a bit throughout all of 2.0, and I'm a bit surprised that DRG edges out now. Still, I believe that there will be minor tweaks that will happen to even the scales a bit more. That said, I don't really think MNK is in a BAD position. We'll see what Alex Savage brings, I guess...

Originally Posted by MiruWest

Are you actually using Fracture in your raid rotation? If so how is it on TP even with Purification? Do you find you keep it up easily with everything going on?

i come really, REALLY close to TP starve without song on A1, thats with forbidden chakra tho, A2 i dont use fracture, A3 theres enough downtime that i can still use fracture without any worry, A4 will depend how much i get sucked into solitude, if im not sucked in then i'll usually need a TP song, thats still using forbidden tho.

edit: i should probably note my base gcd with my current gear is 2.39s, far to much skill speed for my liking, i'de personally prefer non at all

With DRGs though you have to consider that they now also have a crucial buff to juggle. I haven't played the job beyond 50, but from what I gather it's even harder to optimise than GL3 - especially since we got Form Shift. They have to decide to extend or consume the timer and unless you never have to leave the enemy I imagine it's quite difficult to maintain. So it kind of makes sense that they'd be rewarded as one of the best dps for pulling it off.

When it comes to utility though, Battle Litany does kind of dwarf every other dps utility not named Trick Attack. With Manta and DK, monks are kind of the "safety" melee - and that's about all they offer utility wise. DK is still a great debuff, but DRKs now also get an int-down debuff which - having leveled one myself - they will be using very often. I don't mind MNKs getting mostly situational stuff - Form Shift and Meditation are skills I love - but it's a shame at least one of them couldn't have more utility.

Purify has proven more useful than I initially thought since Alexander was released, but perhaps they should've modified it to maybe be an AOE TP restore too. Like give you the 300, and maybe 200 or so to people in a radius around you. Tanks especially would love this - and it kind of synergises with the old fact that MNKs were kings of extended fights with little downtime. The only problem is it may limit Paeon / Rook turret's usefulness. Just throwing an idea out

If Hak Matic says that Monks can't touch Dragoons, or that his Monk can't touch his Dragoon then I'm inclined to believe him.

I've seen Hak Matic's monk in 2.X, seen his parses and I personally think he's probably the top MNK I've seen second to maybe Lucrezia's Monk and maybe one or two others. If he says MNK is underpowered then I'm inclined to believe him.

That said, I do think Monk is strong enough to bring into a raid environment. If there were any changes I'd like for the class they would be.

1. Outside of Combat Meditation automatically gives 5 Stacks for QoL purposes.

2. Either increase the potency of Shoulder Tackle to 130 Potency, or change its CD time to 20 Seconds to match Leg Sweep.

3. Increase Duration of Internal Release to 20 or 25 Seconds

4. Some change to both Arms of Destroyer and One Ilm Punch, (Put One Ilm Punch oGCD, I mean everything about it is like an oGCD skill, Low Potency and some sort of extra debuff effect).

OR

5. Make Drk a Blunt damage dealer and modify Delirium to include Blunt resistance down.

That said, I don't think any of our new skills need a buff.

Maybe a reduction in Tornado Kick's Time (I would personally like to see it on the GCD) and some sort of way to make it so FC doesn't clip the GCD.

Thanks for the love Ossom! I agree Monk is not in a bad spot, they just arent in a good spot. All we needed was mch to be blunt damage... . With that being said they are viable and DK will be good for progression. But what happens after progression, especially for top tier raid teams. They go for raid dps, speed runs, etc. Guess who is not going be brought? Your monks. Why you ask? Because their damage and utility are outmatched by the other melee. Only A2 have I beat my Drg in dps, and even then its not by much lol. Monk just needs a little love, along with a little AoE love for my ninjas. Dragoon is in a solid spot. Either way I will continue to play both mnk and drg. I enjoy both classes very much, but with that lies the problem, not everyone will or can play dragoon to a high level. Some people just like monk and wanna play monk, and for those people it really sucks because they are essentially holding their team back from alot of raid dps because of playing monk, and no one likes holding their team back. This is why I think monk needs a minor buff, nothing major along with a small aoe buff for nins.