Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Kiteless]

Thrill of battle isn't mitigation its a self heal, which can increase the mp efficiency. I'm not sure if you're implying conv + thrill stack because that's not the case? DRK also gains access to conv as well. The implication wasn't to drop the WAR but to lose the PLD. Keep in mind though when you start factoring in self heals sure they help out for big hitters but they don't continue to mitigate past that point where CDS like dark mind and rampart do etc.

The point he's making is that, for the sake of eating tank busters, WAR's unique combination of conv+thrill increases eHP, allowing it to act as a form of mitigation (similar to how Defiance works), which none of the other tanks can do. Conv+thrill is nearly as effective as shadow wall in this respect, and is very definitely a mitigation tool.

[PerihVashai]

The point he's making is that, for the sake of eating tank busters, WAR's unique combination of conv+thrill increases eHP, allowing it to act as a form of mitigation (similar to how Defiance works), which none of the other tanks can do. Conv+thrill is nearly as effective as shadow wall in this respect, and is very definitely a mitigation tool.

Except for the fact that you're neglecting that Dark Knight has access to Conv so making it as a comparison against DRK is a moot point unless its increasing the potency of thrill, which it's not. The only active self heal that can KIND OF be considered mitigation really is bloodbath, and that's only because it persists. Once a self heal has been popped that's it, there is no mitigation past that point. You just equilibrium for 4k? Great it saved MP. Shadow wall just shaved off 30% and it's going to continue shaving it off. Not to mention once the perpetual ray starts adding up Shadow Wall is much more effective.

edit: Oh right maim, long day at work herp. Thanks!