Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Ditto]

If the WAR can keep up path for the DRK tanking, then I think the DRK will have more raw magic mitigation than the WAR will. In normal, the DRK has dark mind for every single tank buster, so they can stack that with their normal cooldowns. WAR also has the issue where healing "abilities" aren't buffed by convalescence or defiance, so that's going to hinder healer recovery on the WAR after big hits.

I think having your PLD swap to DRK for this fight only might be the best option. Of course it depends on what actually ends up in the Savage version.

The only thing that could be an advantage some would see is 10% extra mitigation from the 10 seconds of Dark Mind. But it's really not an advantage at all. War has overall, all around better constant mitigation. IB a few times in between busters. Vengeance + IB + Equilibrium every other buster. Thrill+Conv (<-AKA War's Rampart) + IB + Equilibrium every other other buster, and rotate between those with IB's in between, and for every buster, as well as equilibrium.

Drk can only rely on Dark Mind every buster. If they string any CD's together like a War can, they wont have cd's to string together for the following one. You'll be left without something to use for a buster now and then, because your only reliable CD's are Shadowskin and Shadow Wall. There will always be a point where a tank buster will come in, and both of those will be down.

It's literally just a trade off of taking 10% less damage on 1 buster, to take more damage on the next one. And this is if you actually save your CD's specifically for tank busters. A War has the leisure of keeping mitigation going even inbetween the tank busters.

And lets not forget, Discord or perpetual ray or whatever the actual buster is called, hits I believe it's 3 or 4 times. Meaning a single Equilibrium between those hits, especially one buffed by Berserk, would completely nullify one of those hits all together, probably even more. And this is on every buster.

[Adventica6]

Yep, tried a bit more on the drk today and its mp management is still awful, this is including with bloodprice which gets less and less effective the more skills you learn/need to use.
I'm not a main tank player, I rarely play tanks other than to experience them, and as such, I have experienced it enough.

Some things I don't like, in order.
1. Mp, bad concept, bad execution, a war or pld has their eyes on the game, doing mechanics properly, where as a drk has to constantly look at his tiny little mana bar.
2. Everything drk can do, another tank can do better, it's undisputed, war more dmg, pld more beefy but lower dmg, and no drk isn't in the middle.

[Delorean]

2. Everything drk can do, another tank can do better, it's undisputed, war more dmg, pld more beefy but lower dmg, and no drk isn't in the middle.

DRK mobility and self sufficiency is underrated. Also, i have met paladins that have done worse job MTing than me plenty of times

i mean you can obsess over it all you really want, but your group comp really doesn't matter if you run with a static that outgears all of the content before they can kill it. which, not to be a dick, is a lot of people.

I will agree however that Blood Price is pretty awful in it's design. It's an extremely awkward ability due to mob behavior.

[Ditto]

DRK mobility and self sufficiency is underrated.

Their mobility is in 1 skill (Unless you count AD, which is not worth wasting the MP on unless there is a group of mobs tight together), and it's a quality of life thing. Both other tanks have been perfectly fine without it. That isn't an advantage to Drk by any means at all.

And I hope by 'self sufficiency', you don't mean their self healing and such, because if it is... well I have news for you

Both Pld and War have more self sufficiency than Drk does. In their 1200 Potency cures alone.

i mean you can obsess over it all you really want, but your group comp really doesn't matter if you run with a static that outgears all of the content before they can kill it. which, not to be a dick, is a lot of people.

Also, you must have never been to the end game raid progression scene if you think this is true.

[Jayjohn]

DRK is viable, people are just bad

[Kiteless]

DRK is viable, people are just bad

Viable=/=Valuable

[Delorean]

Also, you must have never been to the end game raid progression scene if you think this is true.

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

All I ever see you do is whine. What level is your Warrior or Paladin? 50. What level is my Warrior? 51. And I have a busy work schedule.

It's amusing to see someone complain so much yet do absolutely nothing to solve their own problems. If it is really that bad playing DRK, how long are you going to hold your static back? How long are you going to bring the rest of the game's community down with your mediocrity?

I really hope that sounds as stupid to you as it does to me.

Viable=/=Valuable

your only value as a tank is to pick up mobs and to not die. it's not very demanding.

if you have the gear and the patience there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to join a group doing content

[Ditto]

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

failing at content until you are overgeared for it is not "endgame raid progression", but okay

The only one sounding stupid here is you. Need I REALLY point out exactly what is wrong with what you are saying here?

I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out, but then again the rest of your post is as just a joke as you are, so I guess I shouldn't expect too much from you Mr. 51 Warrior. Also congratulations, you can do 1 days worth of roulette's to get from 50 - 51.

Your busy work schedule and superior sense of accomplishments really makes you a better person, doesn't it? I bet you got your adrenaline running from making that post, huh?

And wow did I piss on your corn flakes or something?

[Delorean]

Your busy work schedule and superior sense of accomplishments really makes you a better person, doesn't it? I bet you got your adrenaline running from making that post, huh?

no

i just think it's funny that someone who probably has more time to sit around and play the game than i do complains about the class they play every chance that they get but has done absolutely nothing to fix their problem because this strongly suggests that DRK is surely not as bad as you many of you are making it out to be considering such a big commotion just a few of you are making over compositions.

like lol if it was that big of a deal id expect someone that irked about it playing DRK during progression to have been better prepared for alexander savage by now.

but really, do you call clearing neverreap in i180 progression? do you call it progression when you queue up for syrcus tower? no one calls that progression lol

The title of this thread is "Getting refused to EX Groups as DRK". With people in it whining that DRK is not viable. I'd be more reserved in sharing my opinions if it was "Getting refused to Alex Savage Groups as DRK" because I for one have never been told I could not join an EX group because I was DRK.

It's really frustrating to come in here and see people posting shit like "oh a fight was harder and we wiped because double DRK." Which, in spite of all of any criticism towards me, is never the reason any group I have ever been in wiped.

[Galgarion]

DRK is viable, people are just bad

Yes, people are 'just bad', that's why you don't design class mechanics solely around players who are already 'good.' You have to create a baseline where the average and below average can still participate that also allows for the gifted to excel. Dark Knights are a hook intended to increase the popularity of tanking and to help clear up the clogs in duty finder. The majority of them have never tanked before and aren't very good at it. They can't be left in a state where it's more difficult for them to improve their performance.