Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[niwaar]

While any group that is refusing you due to you being a dark for Extremes or Alexander Normal are just plain stupid, your statement:

"Sorry we want a warrior OT" or "Sorry, DRK's can't push the dps needed" AND ONE told me that due to my gear, I wasn't gonna get it unless I was a warrior cause it seems, warriors in MY gear can pull higher dps and give more to the group due to slashing debuff.

Is a serious strike against the Dark Knight as a tank. Our dps can be competitive under the right circumstances but Warriors will always out dps us as the OT. The biggest flaw in the Dark Knight tanking tool kit is simply that we do not bring anything to the group when we are the OT. A Paladin can do their Rage of Halone combo as the OT and put up the Strength Debuff. A Warrior can Storm's Eye. We have 2 debuffs. The first, Reprisal is a proc off parrying an attack. Thus useless for the OT save for minimal circumstances of cleave soaking in A3 and Ravana. Even then the debuff is the same as Storm's Path, but unlike Storm's Path can not be 100% maintained. The second debuff we can bring is Blind. Unfortunately Trial and Raid bosses are immune to Blind. Thus as a DRK we can only bring something to the group by main tanking or being talented enough to have high OT DPS (which currently is a challenge and is not probable for most players).

There are a number of small tweaks that need to happen to DRK to make it more fun and balanced to play. But, the simple fact that we bring absolutely no utility to the group while Warrior and Paladin both bring debuffs (or in the case of PLD buffs) that can change the course of an encounter.

I had high hopes for the job. But until we are actually a help and not a hindrance to the group while not MT, I am stuck leveling warrior to 60 so I am not a burden to my friends.

[Faytte]

If you want utility though, I'd expect to give up things. Paladins have no true aoe damage or real burst, so yeah they have utility and extra mitigation. Warriors and likely overturned at the moment in damage but if Alexander is an indication, SE plans to use much more magic damage in the future ergo the choice for delirium.

Also paladins have been dealing with blind immunity for years as well as pacification immunity. It stinks but this isn't new. Be great if bosses could be blinded at reduced effectiveness but SE doesn't like raid bosses missing since Titan EX.

[Aerya]

The main problem with DRK is that some of them are just stupid. Last night, as a ilvl 160~ PLD, I tanked the Singularity Reactor with a DRK, undergeared compared to me. He spent all the fight in Grit, just beside me, and tried to take aggro all along, just spamming his aggro combo (and nothing else). He took, of course, all the cleave hits and Dragon's Gaze. And he turned off the Grit (but not the Darkside) when the boss dissapeared for the AOE phase.

As a lvl 53 DRK, I can understand why we're not welcome when I see some people playing DRK like that. And at lvl 60, so he wasn't a noob tank anymore...

[Kiteless]

The main problem with DRK is that some of them are just stupid. Last night, as a ilvl 160~ PLD, I tanked the Singularity Reactor with a DRK, undergeared compared to me. He spent all the fight in Grit, just beside me, and tried to take aggro all along, just spamming his aggro combo (and nothing else). He took, of course, all the cleave hits and Dragon's Gaze. And he turned off the Grit (but not the Darkside) when the boss dissapeared for the AOE phase.

As a lvl 53 DRK, I can understand why we're not welcome when I see some people playing DRK like that. And at lvl 60, so he wasn't a noob tank anymore...

I, and most others, have seen bad players of every class. People not knowing how to play DRK is not the problem. Most of the people making complaints in this thread know how to play DRK, but we still are significantly disadvantaged despite that.

[Kaedan]

I, and most others, have seen bad players of every class. People not knowing how to play DRK is not the problem. Most of the people making complaints in this thread know how to play DRK, but we still are significantly disadvantaged despite that.

"Significantly" disadvantaged? No, not at all.

Slightly disadvantaged? Yes, that's true. People are making a mountain out of a mole hill. There are certainly improvements that can be made to DRK. But that's true of all the new jobs. It's far better for a developer to start a class off underpowered and have to buff them than to start them overpowered and have to nerf them. "The Masses" respond far better to buffs than nerfs.

[Aerya]

I, and most others, have seen bad players of every class. People not knowing how to play DRK is not the problem. Most of the people making complaints in this thread know how to play DRK, but we still are significantly disadvantaged despite that.

I agree my DRK is disadvantaged compared to my PLD, but not enough to make it refused in runs. I know a lot of people who sigh when they are with a DRK in a run, because it's the class with the most bad players right now. New class + new role is too much to learn for some people. The DRK reputation will get better when it will get a few buffs and adjustments (TP management for example), but also when the new "DRK looks so dark and cool" tanks learn their role or give up (and it already started).

[Alphras]

The difference is ~4.1% and Lustrate, Indomitability, Essential Dignity and Tetragrammaton are not affected by Defiance (nor other healing buffs since they are abilities and not spells). Didn't test Assize and Asylum.

[SpookyGhost]

Oh, the abilities, yeah. They're not affected by it. Not sure why, feels like a bug that just hasn't been accepted.

Edit: Speak of the devil and he shall appear - http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3128573

So... for some reason they're cool with this imbalance I guess. I don't know... why... but I guess that's... a thing...

Also, RE: the healing difference, WAR's self healing usually makes up for that (Bloodbath/SW/Equilibrium/IB). In terms of actually healing the two tanks, outside of using abilities, it's basically the same to get them back to full.

[Keltraeng]

LMAO you most have some crap DPS on your Server I Cleared Ravana Ex with two DKs......and Bex with a pally dk combo.

[SirTaint]

The only thing I've parried or blocked are the adds in A4.