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[Lemuria]

ultimatum
noun ul·ti·ma·tum \ˌəl-tə-ˈmā-təm, -ˈmä-\
: a final threat : a promise that force or punishment will be used if someone does not do what is wanted

Does not apply here.

What is a refusal to continue a subscription if not a punishment? You're denying that company money by retracting your business. But not even that, he's literally saying "do this or I'll quit". Such things are still called ultimatums, even if they don't fit your own narrow definitions.

[Amulrei]

Emotional attachment often summons the most ridiculous white-knighting hence all the attacks on the OP. The OP remained civil and made no personal attacks which is more than what can be said for most of the fan-drones who apparently are so insecure they need to respond to any criticism with laughable amounts of spite and venom over something that doesn't impact them. If anything, SE should be thanking people like the OP; anyone who knows anything about business management knows for every disgruntled customer that voices their objection, there are many times that who just leave without saying word. At least the OP gave a valid reason on why they are considering leaving.

I don't agree with the OPs stance but I understand why they did it. MCH is in a disgraceful state and the fact nothing has been done so far is pretty damn shameful.

[Amulrei]

If I recall, some of those classes got proper changes very long after 2.0 came out, that's unacceptable and they should have learned from that.

It's SE own fault for not doing proper PTR testing with the classes, they should have a system in place for this. (And I say for the classes, nothing else that might spoil content!)

The OP says he's been asked to leave content for playing a class he took awhile to level, perhaps he has no time to level another class and thus it ruins his enjoyment of the game, which he's paying monthly for I might add.

As for the team listening.. what? Yoshi-P made one statement ON THE JAPANESE FORUM, that's been translated half-arsed or Yoshi-P made a skeptical comment on how the classes 'might' be broken at the moment and how the 'might' fix it in some manner, of course he's not telling us how.

Second part:

Is it too much to ask for a developer working on the class to say "Yes, I'm making these and these changes, please give me feedback" on every damn forum, not just the Japanese one, because quite honestly, that's racist, we're getting worse treatment while paying the same.

Our English support for the game has been lackluster to just plain horrible, one going as far to spoiling story while he answered a question, for everyone to see in the sidebar.. in the first couple of days that Heavensward got released.

Agreed on both counts. The whole "They do not want another Ninja incident!" is not a valid defence. If SE refuse to use a public beta which is ideal for sorting issues like this out, the expectation is upon them to make sure their internal testing is up to scratch which it obviously is not.

Likewise, the level of communication to the English speaking player base has also been exceptionally poor. It would take a developer no more than five minutes to have something like "We understand MCH is underperforming and are sorry for the inconvenience. We are looking to make this right ASAP" posted in these forums. Any yet not only has the only balance post been about one aspect of BRD, but that never received an official translation. It is little wonder people are getting upset when they are kept in the dark after paying good money for this expansion/subscription.

[Eye_Gore]

The OP remained civil and made no personal attacks which is more than what can be said for most of the fan-drones who apparently are so insecure they need to respond to any criticism with laughable amounts of spite and venom over something that doesn't impact them.

I think that the issue is the way the OP came off. It was not a very well composed complaint. Almost as a spoiled brat. Sure everyone has the right to loge a complaint if they are dissatisfied with a product, but the way to go about it is also important. to come onto a community public forum and come off the way they did, is just asking for trouble. There are other channels the OP could have pursued if they were serious about their concerns.

[Blood-Aki]

What is a refusal to continue a subscription if not a punishment? You're denying that company money by retracting your business. But not even that, he's literally saying "do this or I'll quit". Such things are still called ultimatums, even if they don't fit your own narrow definitions.

But TC's isn't the least bit threatning. as losing him is like losing a cup of water in an ocean. It takes about a second to forget the whole process existed. as it was instantly replaced.

There is no punishment here, other then to himself.

[Amulrei]

I think that the issue is the way the OP came off. It was not a very well composed complaint. Almost as a spoiled brat. Sure everyone has the right to loge a complaint if they are dissatisfied with a product, but the way to go about it is also important. to come onto a community public forum and come off the way they did, is just asking for trouble. There are other channels the OP could have pursued if they were serious about their concerns.

Frankly, I have to wonder what channels would be more effective. It isn't like any of the English speaking lines of communication seem to be doing much of anything lately.

[Sapphic]

I have yet to see a single party where people were insisting that a member should leave the duty because they are a bard or a machinist. We all know of the complaints the players throw around on the forums and reddit, saying that the classes are completely broken. But, they are not broken to an extent that you cannot complete a dungeon, simply because you have a bard or a machinist in the group.

Just little sheep jumping on the bandwagon, bleating with rage.

[Reinha]

To come onto a community public forum and come off the way they did, is just asking for trouble. There are other channels the OP could have pursued if they were serious about their concerns.

Actually, by making complaints public there's a chance of a bigger movement that puts more pressure on the company than just a single person. There has been a very recent example in the case of WoW. After a lead developer announced that there was never going to be flying in future areas or the current expansion, players began to post the automated messages they received for unsubbing. There were dozens of threads and hundreds of messages like it. Guess what? The decision has now been reverted and the devs made a public apology. Many players resubbed and posted on the forum to express their gratitude. Even if by some definition this is considered an ultimatum, it's simply false that they have no effect in the case of company-consumer relations.

But instead of simply giving feedback to SE saying that he's upset with the status of those jobs and isn't interested in playing until they are changed, he instead decided to express himself with an immature ultimatum.

Isn't this an ultimatum as well then? You just said exactly what the OP said: stating that they are quitting unless things change.

The squeaky wheel doesn't always get the grease, sometimes it just gets replaced with a new one.

Nothing wrong with trying though. Going by OP's second post, I think he was well aware of the incoming s**tstorm which occurs whenever someone dares to dislike the choices of SE. You can tell from this amount of emotional white knighting that a lot of people are unnaturally attached to this company, like diehard fans of a band who snap when the band's work is questioned. The only difference is, music fans usually don't give each other crap for not buying the newest record.

If this was an internet provider with bad connection, a fast food place with bad service or a gym with broken air conditioning, no one would bat an eye at the "ultimatum". For some reason gamers are expected to stick with the company through sickness and health, otherwise they are called immature. LOL

[Kaedan]

I love how this turned into white knights attempting to nitpick the definition of ultimatum and threat.

The OP was an ultimatum. That is a fact. You can attempt to claim it isn't until the cows come home, but you're objectively wrong in all possible ways if you try to argue that the OP is not an ultimatum.

"Fix this problem or I quit". That is what the OP says. That is an ultimatum. Ultimatums expressed in the way the OP expressed them are extremely childish.

So the OP isn't happy with the current status of BRD and MCH. Boo hoo. It's a brand new expansion with a lot of new abilities. Balance is something that happens over time once they've had the opportunity to gather native data. QA testers can only accomplish so much. The classes are playable. Are they underpowered? Maybe. Either they are or they became too complex for the average gamer who likes easy DPS. I took DRK to 60 first, so I can't answer that question objectively yet.

In any case, if he's unhappy with the class, he can either choose a different class to play until they change them, or quit. He's obviously going for the latter. But instead of simply giving feedback to SE saying that he's upset with the status of those jobs and isn't interested in playing until they are changed, he instead decided to express himself with an immature ultimatum.

[Eye_Gore]

Actually, by making complaints public there's a chance of a bigger movement that puts more pressure on the company than just a single person.

This is understood. However to post here and not expect backlash from the community about the way you present yourself, is not going to happen. My response was to the way the OP is taking flak for their post and that some could not understand the comments directed at the OP. The squeaky wheel doesn't always get the grease, sometimes it just gets replaced with a new one.