SE: your deadline

[Kaedan]

I love how this turned into white knights attempting to nitpick the definition of ultimatum and threat.

The OP was an ultimatum. That is a fact. You can attempt to claim it isn't until the cows come home, but you're objectively wrong in all possible ways if you try to argue that the OP is not an ultimatum.

"Fix this problem or I quit". That is what the OP says. That is an ultimatum. Ultimatums expressed in the way the OP expressed them are extremely childish.

So the OP isn't happy with the current status of BRD and MCH. Boo hoo. It's a brand new expansion with a lot of new abilities. Balance is something that happens over time once they've had the opportunity to gather native data. QA testers can only accomplish so much. The classes are playable. Are they underpowered? Maybe. Either they are or they became too complex for the average gamer who likes easy DPS. I took DRK to 60 first, so I can't answer that question objectively yet.

In any case, if he's unhappy with the class, he can either choose a different class to play until they change them, or quit. He's obviously going for the latter. But instead of simply giving feedback to SE saying that he's upset with the status of those jobs and isn't interested in playing until they are changed, he instead decided to express himself with an immature ultimatum.

[ckc22]

IMO it's the same thing as Dissipate - the cost doesn't justify the benefit, with the difference being that instead of it being 1 of your post 50 skills its almost all of your post 50 skills and even if you use it correctly it still doesn't provide a DPS boost.

[DragonFlyy]

Not a rant, not a rage-quit, not meant for anyone in the community; only SE.

So it's a threat that you will rage-quit .. got it.

[Aryalandi]

Oh this is special as a snowflake on a warm summer day.
I read that SE actually responded to this?
Because I am wondering if by responded you mean you actually read where they already know that there are issues and talked at your screen while finding out about their desire to fix it.

Sorry for my rudeness, but... the "i want it, give it to me or I'll leave" made me darkside for all the world to see (another change it or ill leave going on)

[silverhope]

Square Enix, you have a deadline. I have 3 weeks left on my monthly subscription. You have that long to: (a) fix the myriad problems with machinist dps, or (b) fix the problems with bard stances and mobility, or (c) give the community a commitment to do one or the other by a specific, reasonable date. (Waiting until after Alex is not "reasonable".)

[Lyaha]

SE responded, on the Japanese forums, and either that response was skeptical or useless or we got a bad translation, which is an issue in itself.

[Kayote]

Yes OP quit. Not even being dismissive or a smartass. Just quit. Thats the beauty about subs you can leave when youre not happy, and come back whenever to try out the changes and stay if you like them. They already acknowledged the problem with Bards and are working on it. Your threat isnt going to change that one bit.

[Sylve]

SE responded, on the Japanese forums, and either that response was skeptical or useless or we got a bad translation, which is an issue in itself.

Yoshi himself responded. Summed up, he said:
"We know the DPS is low, we're going to fix it"
"We know Minuet and Wardens is difficult to use due to cast timers, we're going to fix it"

I don't know how thats skeptical. Sounds pretty much exactly like " we know of the problem and are working on fixing it".
What more do you want? a running copmmentary on ideas and dictated notes from every meeting and discussion they had on the subject?

[ckc22]

ITT: lots of people who would have the opposite opinion if it was their job that was broken/getting kicked/excluded.

[LunaHoshino]

ITT: lots of people who would have the opposite opinion if it was their job that was broken/getting kicked/excluded.

I main DRG. I've mained it since back when it had issues with MDef that made it not desirable/a liability in a lot of content. I kept on playing it anyway because I liked it, and sure enough, SE listened to the (legitimate) complaints that players had about the class and fixed the problems.

The problems with BRD and MCH will be fixed the same way the problems with DRG, WAR, BLM, and SMN were fixed. Give them time to gather feedback and see how the classes perform in actual raid situations AND give players time to get used to the class and work out optimal rotations. It's ridiculous to demand immediate change barely two weeks after the expansion was released.