SMN poorly implemented

[gorezilla1]

carbuncle is pretty much is non existent after level 30, not sure I really like the way SE designed the SMN class. In FF11 there were so many summons you could use, compared to FF14 its sad. And it what made it even worse was no new summons in the expansion.

Ugh... Another one of these. Just because the class isn't what you what, doesn't meant it isn't what it should be. Do egis look dumb? Yes, but they are still powerful to contribute 1/3 of a good smns dps. Also, FFXI didn't launch with so many avatars. It took several expansions. It's also not like you used all your avatars. From what everyone had said, it seemed you simply used about 2 for serious group content. And look at the game, it was so unbalanced between classes. So instead, SE is balancing all the classes we currently have. So yes, you had like 15, but exactly how many did you use? As it stands most SMNS don't use ifrit, and Titan is mostly useless outside of soloing content, so they made the "better" choice of balancing the pets. It's not as though they don't plan on giving us more. But if their plan is to give us a bunch of egis, but we all only use one, I'd rather they just stayed with the 3 we currently have.

At this point might as well called the jon envoker or Channelers, something along those lines. It sure is not a summoner in my eyes.

You do realize that in FFIII, SMN is just an advanced form of evoker?

[Azuta]

You do realize that in FFIII, SMN is just an advanced form of evoker?

Oh yes I am quite aware of that, hence why I call this class an evoker since it sure it not anywhere near the spectrum of a summoner. A lesser summoner at best really, hence envoker.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Ugh... Another one of these. Just because the class isn't what you what, doesn't meant it isn't what it should be. Do egis look dumb? Yes, but they are still powerful to contribute 1/3 of a good smns dps. Also, FFXI didn't launch with so many avatars. It took several expansions. It's also not like you used all your avatars. From what everyone had said, it seemed you simply used about 2 for serious group content. And look at the game, it was so unbalanced between classes. So instead, SE is balancing all the classes we currently have. So yes, you had like 15, but exactly how many did you use? As it stands most SMNS don't use ifrit, and Titan is mostly useless outside of soloing content, so they made the "better" choice of balancing the pets. It's not as though they don't plan on giving us more. But if their plan is to give us a bunch of egis, but we all only use one, I'd rather they just stayed with the 3 we currently have.

Couldn't agree more. Though Ifrit is just as useful as Garuda now after the re balancing. His Radiant Shield now affects all party members, meaning he actually has a useful party support skill now, and since people have been asking for the Egi to have more support/utility this is quite fabulous. So the Egi themselves did actually get some useful updates for HW. Not only that but food also now effects Egi, allowing us to buff them up even more. The Egi are more balanced and useful now then they have ever been, and we got Deathflare on top of all that.

But alas the SMN player base (not all) is infected with far too many entitled/superficial people, who are too focused on nitpicking trivial things. Instead of actually focusing on the good things SMN has received (Egi balancing/changes, Egi glamour, New burst DPS rotation, Tri Disaster, Painflare, Dreadwyrm, Deathflare, LB3 Teraflare) That there is quite a long list of great additions to SMN.