SMN poorly implemented

[zcrash970]

I could probably design Ramuh-Egi in like 3 seconds :|

Main Attack - Potency 110 like others
AoE Attack - Potency 90
Utility Attack - Potency 90, Paralysis-
Utility Buff - Shock Spikes. same as blaze.

there, he's as "unique" as the others, instead of a stun, he gets a paralyze!

No one would use that since paralysis is useless since everything resist most status alignments. The three egis are fine and we don't need a new one.
I could just use Ifrit which has a stronger aoe and blaze spikes.

[AiiroOkami]

You clearly haven't played since like, 2006 :\.
I could probably design Ramuh-Egi in like 3 seconds :|

Main Attack - Potency 110 like others
AoE Attack - Potency 90
Utility Attack - Potency 90, Paralysis-
Utility Buff - Shock Spikes. same as blaze.

there, he's as "unique" as the others, instead of a stun, he gets a paralyze!

I won't use that Ramuh-Egi then, why would I play it ?
Can it replace Garuda AOEs and Contagion or Ifrit DPS on single target and his radiant shield ? The answer is no.
You clearly just want to see new LOOKING summons, but don't really care about the utility of the summon.

[jadan2000]

i like the summoner job.... but he does have a point... it would be nice that the next expansion bring us more summon centric so to speak.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

Lol, smn its pretty good, It feels like 2013 xD

[Akiza]

Only summon centric ability that Summoner needs in the next expansion are spells that summon Gods down from the Heavens like Hydaelyn.

[BlaiseArath]

I won't use that Ramuh-Egi then, why would I play it ?
Can it replace Garuda AOEs and Contagion or Ifrit DPS on single target and his radiant shield ? The answer is no.
You clearly just want to see new LOOKING summons, but don't really care about the utility of the summon.

No one would use that since paralysis is useless since everything resist most status alignments. The three egis are fine and we don't need a new one.
I could just use Ifrit which has a stronger aoe and blaze spikes.

I didnt think I could be any clearly with my sarcasm, even put "Unique" in quotation marks, so yah, Woosh friends... I was trying to point out even if we got new summons they would be utterly worthless anyway because balance, and that 2/3rds of our summons abilities are pretty carbon-copy of eachother already, so why would people want a new pet when it will be the exact same pet with different animations?

Also, Aiiro, a tad defensive much...? I don't want "new" summons, in fact, I've on many an occasion advocated I'd rather just use Carbuncle than another sh*t tier looking stick figure that they would give us.

We already have the basics covered. a Ranged, a Melee, and a Tank. Outside of a healing pet(which is dumb and no) theres not much room to wiggle. Which is I'm sure why they decided to introduce pet "glamours" instead.

[Kore_Hyperion]

OP talking about SMN diversity in XI, but how often did you even use half the skills the pets had? When did you even have time? And if you want SMN to be like that in XIV, what class would you propose it to be? The non-existent support role?

[Nalfein]

And partially summoning Bahamut is not really a BLM ability, but just saying...

You're not summoning Bahamut but one of his pale tp move, just saying >_>

[PotatoWafflez]

Spoiler alert when you talk to Hraesvelgr in Heavensward he tells the pc exactly what the Primals are. Primals are not summoned as so much they are conjured by Aether and the Imagination of the believer given form the Hydaelyn. Tiamat explaining that the Bahamut fought in T13 was merely a shade wearing Bahamuts form. From this its clear that the Primals are imaginations manifested by Aether and belief. Conjuring is a low level summoning skill that anyone can do thats why its easy to conjure Primals lore wise. The only actual Gods revealed so far are Hydaelyn, Zordiak and the Warring Triad the rest are fakes.

You failed to take into account that when you summon a primal you don't control it and it doesn't bend to your will like egis; summoning something is easy controlling something once summoned isn't.

So really what you are saying is that you want to do big summons that will drain your HP because lore wise it is taxing on your body and aether to summon anything big without a huge amount of crystals and that wont listen to you and will turn on you and your party at the drop of a hat if not right away.

I don't recall the Summoner LB but can't they just throw knights of the round in there or something and call it a day? Would that make people happy? and lore wise LBs feed off the party no? so you could argue that 8 warriors of light have enough aether to summon something big for a few seconds for one attack.

[Dualblade]

You failed to take into account that when you summon a primal you don't control it and it doesn't bend to your will like egis; summoning something is easy controlling something once summoned isn't.

So really what you are saying is that you want to do big summons that will drain your HP because lore wise it is taxing on your body and aether to summon anything big without a huge amount of crystals and that wont listen to you and will turn on you and your party at the drop of a hat if not right away.

I don't recall the Summoner LB but can't they just throw knights of the round in there or something and call it a day? Would that make people happy? and lore wise LBs feed off the party no? so you could argue that 8 warriors of light have enough aether to summon something big for a few seconds for one attack.

Summoner's new LB3 is Bahamut's Teraflare.