The Ninja Superthread

[Korashy]

Well Shadewalker is one of those shiny toys. Have you tried it yet? It feels like being one of those kids in class that throws a paper ball at the teacher's head then pushing the blame on another kid and getting out with it. Its amazing

I don't see the point of the threat abilities at all. I expect tanks to not have aggro (enmity) problems. Sure once the tank(s) die(s), i'm the first one to get whopped, but at that point you are having bigger issues to deal with.

Transferring my threat to the tank (a la Misdirect in WoW), would be more interesting, but even then sort of meh. My job in raids is to have maximum single target dps, everything that doesn't help with that, mobility, or provide a raidwide buff/boss debuff, is useless for my role. Well survivability cooldowns are also good.

Actually it does, I've been doing some testing, because your pointing out of the wording made me second guess, but after using it multiple times, comparing potency of positional AE, as well as combo'd AE, and the addition damage from the second attack, it gives the same positional damage bonus as well as combo bonus, hell, multiple times the second hit was higher than the AE's initial hit.

Interesting. second hit being higher sometimes isn't surprising, since it gives +100 base potency no? I can't get into the game right now (work), so I can't look at.

[Grimm08]

Transferring my threat to the tank (a la Misdirect in WoW), would be more interesting, but even then sort of meh. My job in raids is to have maximum single target dps, everything that doesn't help with that, mobility, or provide a raidwide buff/boss debuff, is useless for my role.

Yes, your job is to damage, but that is not the point, a raid group is a team, a group that works together to kill the big scary thing in front of it, as a DPS, your job is to output as much damage as you can, but as a team member, it is also to utilize your abilities in a way that is beneficial to the group, if an add spawns that would go straight for a healer that just used Medica II, Smokescreen them, or Shadewalker and go ham, use it just before the pull to guarantee that the BLM that forgot to use Quelling doesn't die a horrible death. You are a team member, not a single guy on the battlefield.

[Korashy]

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I understand your reasoning, but coming to this game from WoW (where I was often MT), I expect all of those scenarios to be handled by the tank(s). If an add spawns, it should be immediately picked up by the tank. Fights in this game are so choreographed it's pretty predictable when they spawn.

That being said 40% of the content added for our class being something of a niche ability that's dubious as best, is a bit of a let down.

PS: the 1000 character limit on this forum is ridiculous.

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Maybe i'm a bit salty cause my static doesn't have a warrior. But then so, with all these things we have discussed (starting with AC, to shadewalker, etc), it seems that not being able to synergize with a WAR, either makes your rotation wonky, or some of your abilities not used.

[Arkenne]

The 1000 character limit

You can Edit an already existing post to bypass the 1k char limit.

[Arkenne]

not being able to synergize with a WAR, either makes your rotation wonky, or some of your abilities not used.

Yes exactly.

Shadewalker proved its worth to me specialy on DPS checks when I can't exactly wait for the Tank to stabilize aggro and I have a quicker reaction time. Like in a DF Bismark :/

Smoke Bomb came in handy in situations where adds spawn in multiple directions and can't be taken by the tank in one fellswoop. Casting it on the Healer provided heal aggro to be nerfed down saving some work on the Tank and a dead healer. (also pretty useful to cover those ranged-burst-lovers).

There are situations in which they come in handy, just are a bit hard to notice at times :/

[Allyrion]

Transferring my threat to the tank (a la Misdirect in WoW), would be more interesting, but even then sort of meh. My job in raids is to have maximum single target dps, everything that doesn't help with that, mobility, or provide a raidwide buff/boss debuff, is useless for my role.

It is a Misdirect. It transfers your enmity.

Also, it's been confirmed for a while that Duality includes the positional bonus.
Interestingly, Dancing Edge's debuff will apply to the second hit if you're doing it the first time.

[Korashy]

It is a Misdirect. It transfers your enmity.

Also, it's been confirmed for a while that Duality includes the positional bonus.
Interestingly, Dancing Edge's debuff will apply to the second hit if you're doing it the first time.

I must be illiterate cause when I read it, it didn't sound like a MD at all. Will have to test with chocobuddy.

[Grimm08]

I must be illiterate cause when I read it, it didn't sound like a MD at all. Will have to test with chocobuddy.

It transfers 80% of the enmity that you generate to the person that is targeted for the next 15 seconds, so if given value, your Spinning edge would generate 1 point of enmity, .2 of that actually goes to you instead of the full 1, and .8 goes to your target (tank)

[Korashy]

It transfers 80% of the enmity that you generate to the person that is targeted for the next 15 seconds, so if given value, your Spinning edge would generate 1 point of enmity, .2 of that actually goes to you instead of the full 1, and .8 goes to your target (tank)

Ah, thanks for that, not that useless then (still a bit meh, besides for the opener). Though some redditers claim it doesn't work on tanks (that would be kind of weird, so no idea here).

Yes exactly.

Shadewalker proved its worth to me specialy on DPS checks when I can't exactly wait for the Tank to stabilize aggro and I have a quicker reaction time. Like in a DF Bismark :/

Smoke Bomb came in handy in situations where adds spawn in multiple directions and can't be taken by the tank in one fellswoop. Casting it on the Healer provided heal aggro to be nerfed down saving some work on the Tank and a dead healer. (also pretty useful to cover those ranged-burst-lovers).

There are situations in which they come in handy, just are a bit hard to notice at times :/

I definitely see some uses, don't get me wrong, but it's not primarily my job to mitigate the failures of others and that can also only really be done (smoothly) by someone above average in skill (especially vs the tanks). Again it's okay to have, but those being 2/5 of my new abilities is bitter.

[Arkenne]

it's okay, but being 2/5 of my new abilities is bitter.

On this, we agree...