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  1. #171
    Player
    Shhikasan's Avatar
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    Shika Naito
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MiruWest View Post
    I geared out my MCH enough now so Im going to shelf him til the dusk settles. I dont feel like bandwagoning off the job but I would rather play a job that people want and know is good rather than one that COULD be good but everyone does it better.

    SMN lvl 55 so far
    I am all leveled out and getting another dps to 60 thru pure grind of dungeons and fates is not my idea for fun for the next few weeks. I'll try to muster through dungeons and get my 170 gear and hunts for upgrades.
    I feel heavy regret leveling mch but little hope for balance before alex or anytime soon if history is doomed to repeat itself. it doesn't matter Sqaure got my money they can sit back while they wait for stuff to unlock and such.

    I just want some info as if the brd and mch are being look into. I mean they already responded to monks chakra sound.
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  2. #172
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    MelvinK's Avatar
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    Ciel Wintermere
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Cascadi View Post
    Hey, I modified the sim to run these two options for 270s each and here are the results:

    Option 1: Delay all by 30s buffs so it lines up with Reload @ 120s
    237248 avg

    Option 2: Don't delay Reload or buffs and use them whenever they are up
    234477 avg

    Option 3: Delay Reload by 30s to line up with 90s buffs
    193184 avg

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    Hi OP,
    it looks to me that option 1 and option 2 result in very similar in term of DPS then i dont think i will bother with option 1 since lining up cooldowns require effort and planning for that minuscule DPS gain. Might as well spend my effort on tracking procs. Isn't this a more practical approach? Are you able to determine how much is the contribution of cooldown DPS separately from the normal rotation 1-2-3 in term of overall DPS. With this, probably we can see if it is sensible to forgo option 1 such that effort spend on perfect response to procs is more of a DPS gain than DPS lose for option 2.
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    Last edited by MelvinK; 06-25-2015 at 12:10 PM.

  3. #173
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    Cascadi's Avatar
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    Drowned Wednesday
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by MelvinK View Post
    Hi OP,
    it looks to me that option 1 and option 2 result in very similar in term of DPS then i dont think i will bother with option 1 since lining up cooldowns require effort and planning for that minuscule DPS gain. Might as well spend my effort on tracking procs. Isn't this a more practical approach? Are you able to determine how much is the contribution of cooldown DPS separately from the normal rotation 1-2-3 in term of overall DPS. With this, probably we can see if it is sensible to forgo option 1 such that effort spend on perfect response to procs is more of a DPS gain than DPS lose for option 2.
    Yeah, Option 2 is indeed more practical. As for determining how much of a contribution buffed damage does vs the normal rotation, here it is below based off of 1000 simulations:

    Buffed Potency (22s)
    25s: 7748

    Unbuffed Potency (68s)
    65s: 15513

    Total Potency (90s)
    90s: 23261

    So, your buffed burst of skills makes up roughly 33% of your damage and the regular 1-2-3 rotation makes up 67% of your damage.
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    Last edited by Cascadi; 06-25-2015 at 04:54 PM. Reason: fixed inflated simulation numbers

  4. #174
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    MelvinK's Avatar
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    Ciel Wintermere
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    Tonberry
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Thanks OP for your effort. Appreciated it.
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  5. #175
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    Ephier's Avatar
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    Character
    Ephier Samoht
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    Ultros
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    Machinist Lv 70
    Was looking over the opener posted,

    Pull

    -Dexterity Potion
    -Hawk's Eye
    Hot Shot
    -Blood for Blood
    -Hypercharge
    Lead Shot
    -Wildfire
    -Rapid Fire
    -Gauss Barrel (on)
    Split Shot
    -Ricochet
    -Gauss Round
    Slug Shot
    -Reassemble
    Clean Shot
    -Gauss Barrel (off)
    -Blank
    -Head Graze
    Split Shot

    Is there any reason you do not use blank and head graze before you turn off gauss barrel?

    i.e

    Pull

    -Dexterity Potion
    -Hawk's Eye
    Hot Shot
    -Blood for Blood
    -Hypercharge
    Lead Shot
    -Wildfire
    -Rapid Fire
    -Gauss Barrel (on)
    Split Shot
    -Ricochet
    -Gauss Round
    Slug Shot
    -Reassemble
    Clean Shot
    -Blank
    -Head Graze
    -Gauss Barrel (off)*
    Split Shot
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  6. #176
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    Whyabadi's Avatar
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    Alan Turing
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 51
    Thank you for the guide. Lots of useful information here.
    How much of a dps loss do you reckon it will be to completely drop Gauss Barrel, Gauss Round, and Ricochet?
    I feel the additional dps (if any) doesn't justify the increase in complexity or the loss of mobility, whether during the opener or if full-timing Gauss Barrel.
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  7. #177
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    Shhikasan's Avatar
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    Shika Naito
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Whyabadi View Post
    Thank you for the guide. Lots of useful information here.
    How much of a dps loss do you reckon it will be to completely drop Gauss Barrel, Gauss Round, and Ricochet?
    I feel the additional dps (if any) doesn't justify the increase in complexity or the loss of mobility, whether during the opener or if full-timing Gauss Barrel.

    a lot of dps lost you should only use gauss barrel and its two spells during the wildfire burst outside of that and keeping it on will reduce your dps
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  8. #178
    Player
    Cascadi's Avatar
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    Drowned Wednesday
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ephier View Post
    Was looking over the opener posted,

    Pull

    -Dexterity Potion
    -Hawk's Eye
    Hot Shot
    -Blood for Blood
    -Hypercharge
    Lead Shot
    -Wildfire
    -Rapid Fire
    -Gauss Barrel (on)
    Split Shot
    -Ricochet
    -Gauss Round
    Slug Shot
    -Reassemble
    Clean Shot
    -Gauss Barrel (off)
    -Blank
    -Head Graze
    Split Shot

    Is there any reason you do not use blank and head graze before you turn off gauss barrel?

    i.e

    Pull

    -Dexterity Potion
    -Hawk's Eye
    Hot Shot
    -Blood for Blood
    -Hypercharge
    Lead Shot
    -Wildfire
    -Rapid Fire
    -Gauss Barrel (on)
    Split Shot
    -Ricochet
    -Gauss Round
    Slug Shot
    -Reassemble
    Clean Shot
    -Blank
    -Head Graze
    -Gauss Barrel (off)*
    Split Shot
    My bad on that typo, you're right, Blank + Head Graze should be used before Gauss Barrel goes off. Fixed that!
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    Last edited by Cascadi; 06-25-2015 at 02:29 PM.

  9. #179
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    Cascadi's Avatar
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    Drowned Wednesday
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Whyabadi View Post
    Thank you for the guide. Lots of useful information here.
    How much of a dps loss do you reckon it will be to completely drop Gauss Barrel, Gauss Round, and Ricochet?
    I feel the additional dps (if any) doesn't justify the increase in complexity or the loss of mobility, whether during the opener or if full-timing Gauss Barrel.
    The DPS loss is 65380 potency to 70770 potency over 270s, which is about 8% decrease in potency.
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  10. #180
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    Ryaz's Avatar
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    Ryaz Darksbane
    World
    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cascadi View Post
    My bad on that typo, you're right, Blank + Head Graze should be used before Gauss Barrel goes off. Fixed that!
    What about Raging Strikes? Didn't see that in the list.
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