Please, no more dungeons to progress the main story

[Aeyis]

Heals: Stay out of AoEs and start casting your cures during the boss's shock after a triple (so they land shortly after it hits). Heal group after orbs, and after any AoEs to prepare for more. Everything else is no different than anything else. And the healing after AoEs is no different than any other fight, really.

You forgot doubles. You forgot healing during the orbs. (people always hit others with them) You say ''any aoe'' but the aoes in this fight are rather a big deal.

Tank: pop your CDs for his tripled shock. Inner beast/hallowed/whatever it so it doesn't kill you/destroy your hp too much, and make sure you pop all your defensive cooldowns just before getting pulled into the black hole so you can eat meteors in the face without over taxing healers. Also: Eat meteors in the face. Collect orbs of alternating colors. Collect two, maybe three, of the same if necessary. Pull sprites during orb phases to the edge and face them away from the arena as quickly as you can so DPS aren't getting slowed.

Tanks dont actually do anything against tripple shock. The healer takes care of it. Use all cds before black hole is something that everyone does, not just tanks. Eat meteors is something that anyone can do. Tanks and healers are prefered since their dps sucks and they wont be as useful killing the rift.
Collecting orbs is something everyone does, not just the tanks. Adds need to be killed rather then tanks, so thats not something the tanks particular need to worry about.

Tank has the most to remember.

You sound pretty biased. As I explained everything the tanks have to do (literally everything) is something the rest of the group has to do as well.



It's cool that you think your main class is the hardest, though. Even though most healers DPS during fights because otherwise healer is faceroll easy and boring.[/QUOTE]
I'm not a rpg player main. Im a strategy game main. I dont think of ''my class first'' I think of everyones role. Ironically, you seem to be speaking from a maintank position.

(FYI I've always tanked and healed a lot in mmos)

Most healers will dps during that fight if they are overgeared. Or lazy. Apparently from your healer pov you think its the tanks job to deal with tripples.

Keep in mind this is from the pov from someone that did it in an ''geared for the encounter'' group, with all new people. Not ''lol my i130 healer alt I uze soemtimes''

See my point 3, which you conveniently deleted.

What point 3? Ah I see. Trying to find little bits here and there you can twist in your favor.


Let me ask you then, and put you to silence:
When was the last time you did Chrysalis? I did it recently, and I was the only experienced player there. If I hadnt been a healer it would have been tough. And tbh altho I believe I said it was mostly due to me; that's not quite true either. We only killed the rift with ease because a ninja friend was also there.

Yet it wasnt my skilled friend that explained, I did. Im sure he wouldnt have. In fact from experience I know that players who take the time to explain things are quite rare. So its a bad argument to say ''oh just say its your first time''.


I ignored your argument because I thought it was kind of obvious just how bad of an argument it was.
Just look at your own post. Is that a good example of ''The vast majority of people are understanding and will talk you through.''?
Because you dont sound very understanding..

[Chihaya]

So other than your tale of how you single-handedly carried your last chrysalis group to victory... are you still trying to convince chrysalis is hard?

C'mon, alot of us did it when there was no guide out there through trial and error.

This thread is not about how easy/hard chrysalis is or how you carried your team. But dungeons in the main scenario - which none are hard since the steps of faith nerf. If it was hard, SE would have nerfed it so it does not block anyone from progression.

[Kaedan94]

Let me ask you then, and put you to silence:
When was the last time you did Chrysalis?

A day before the maintenance for Heavensward for my wife. She was behind on the main story and I helped her with the fight.

I did it recently, and I was the only experienced player there. If I hadnt been a healer it would have been tough. And tbh altho I believe I said it was mostly due to me; that's not quite true either. We only killed the rift with ease because a ninja friend was also there.

So what, you want a cookie?

I ignored your argument because I thought it was kind of obvious just how bad of an argument it was.
Just look at your own post. Is that a good example of ''The vast majority of people are understanding and will talk you through.''?
Because you dont sound very understanding..

You ignored my point 3 because it negated your other attacks towards my reply and you knew it. People who haven't done an instance before simply should say so when they enter. That's far better than staying silent. Most of the time someone will explain what needs explaining and you'll get through it no problem. Once in a blue moon you'll get a troll or someone that leaves because it's the first time.

[Krylo]

You forgot doubles.

Unless the tank is just barely at ilevel, doubles don't need anything special. They don't hit that hard.

You forgot healing during the orbs. (people always hit others with them)

Which is just standard healing. Nothing special about it.

You say ''any aoe'' but the aoes in this fight are rather a big deal.

Not any bigger than whatever version of Titan you're not COMPLETELY over gearing's stomps. Less of one than anything odin does. No more than Shiva's AoE's. No more than really any AoE that's not completely over geared.

Tanks dont actually do anything against tripple shock. The healer takes care of it.

Not inner beasting/using any of the random CDs that Pld has access to is just lazy/shitty tanking. Sorry, but if you aren't using your CDs for tank busters, what ARE you using them for? And the healer should STILL try to time their heal for it just in case their tank is shit and doesn't CD for it, and because you should learn to do that anyway because when you're on actual difficult content tank busters may need both to ensure your tank doesn't get gibbed by an auto-attack crit right after the tank buster (like what happens with sangetell in Odin). Tank busters should be handled by both the tank and the healer, not one or the other.

Eat meteors is something that anyone can do. Tanks and healers are prefered since their dps sucks and they wont be as useful killing the rift.

Also because Tanks have a lot more HP/Mitigation and the meteors actually do a lot of damage. Heals should only be catching a couple the entire round that tanks can't get to in order to avoid potential deaths. DPS shouldn't be catching any because loss of DPS on the Rift means more meteors falling faster than they can be grabbed without killing people.

Adds need to be killed rather then tanks.

They need to be aimed away and then killed. Tanks should grab them because they're the only ones that can easily eclipse healer aggro and aim them such that they aren't hitting everyone else. Unless the DPS is on them fast enough to stop them from ever firing their AoE heavy.

And my main is pug, like it says on the left. Not tank.

But I've got Monk, Warrior, Paladin, and WHM at over ilevel 120 from before expansion and have played all in ARR level 50 stuff extensively.

[Gramul]

Love the bosses. Not super keen on trash mobs.

I mean...thanks for the speed bump, but actually no.

[Swordphobic]

Yes, chrysalis is a bit of a pain, there's always someone grabbing triple debuffs and dying, tanks ignoring meteor and dps not focusing the rift. That aside, healing doubles and triples was the easy part for me when I recently returned.

That aside, all of the expansion dungeons and trials so far (I'm 57) are quite easy, only thing I had a bit of difficulty was the boss in the vault, where I wiped a few times but then learned that if you zoom out a bit and face north (where the knights come from) everything gets easier.

[Malevicton]

So besides the Chrysalis thing, are we brushing past how the other examples of research-requiring encounters were snowcloak and keeper of the lake?

I'm on the chrysalis-aint-nothin-special side of things, but even assuming the opposite for the sake of argument the other examples don't hold up, so there would still only be 1 relatively difficult encounter.

[SarcasmMisser]

Who the heck needs to research mechanics for 4 mans, just go in there.

[Evangela]

mechanics in those storyline dungeons are so easy. you probably be able to explain it to the newbies in one sentence and they'll understand everything right away.

[fireslash]

dont know i just took my first run at dusk vigil with no wipes , now i am at ravanna i stopped to do researching on it then i ll continue


have a higher item level to make things easier