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    Player IfritReborn's Avatar
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    Kevvy Alexandros
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    Gilgamesh
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Question, I may be misguided as I'm only lvl 52, but why would you use Reload/Quick Reload before Hot Shot/Lead Shot? Hot Shot and Lead Shot both take up ammunition yet get no benefit from it, wouldn't it be better used for the combo?
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    Unaki's Avatar
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    Xystel Unaki
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by IfritReborn View Post
    Question, I may be misguided as I'm only lvl 52, but why would you use Reload/Quick Reload before Hot Shot/Lead Shot? Hot Shot and Lead Shot both take up ammunition yet get no benefit from it, wouldn't it be better used for the combo?
    They get 20 more potency. But eh, its better served for the main shot combo.
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    Divebombs's Avatar
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    Krie Arda
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 90
    I apologize if this has already been answered, but outside of the opener should I only be using Gauss when rapid shot is up (as I've been doing), or hardcast it if it means getting ricochet and gauss round out?
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    Varsing Herleifr
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Divebombs View Post
    I apologize if this has already been answered, but outside of the opener should I only be using Gauss when rapid shot is up (as I've been doing), or hardcast it if it means getting ricochet and gauss round out?
    Only when you use rapid fire
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    Telepwnsauce's Avatar
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    Asclepius Windwalker
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    Hey all questions about the opener rotation. I'm only 53 so I do not have Guass Round yet so been trying to find a way to maximize and practice the opener. Which made me wonder

    I know part of the reason because reload used bit earlier so 2 ammo things are wasted sorta on hot/lead. However if we could find a way to hold reload. You can leave Guass Barrell on for 2 full rotations and your ICs.

    Reload
    Split Shot
    Rapid Fire
    Guass Barrell
    Slug Shot
    Guass Round
    Riccochet
    Split
    Clean -Ressemble here
    Slug
    Clean - or here.
    Blank
    Head Graze
    GB - off

    again I don't have all the abilities, currently i'm doing this for my wildfire as without guass round it was only way that made sense for me to use GB at all. I get 1 Split, 2 Slugs, 2 Clean outta my Guass + ICs.
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    Drowned Wednesday
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Telepwnsauce View Post
    Hey all questions about the opener rotation. I'm only 53 so I do not have Guass Round yet so been trying to find a way to maximize and practice the opener. Which made me wonder

    I know part of the reason because reload used bit earlier so 2 ammo things are wasted sorta on hot/lead. However if we could find a way to hold reload. You can leave Guass Barrell on for 2 full rotations and your ICs.

    Reload
    Split Shot
    Rapid Fire
    Guass Barrell
    Slug Shot
    Guass Round
    Riccochet
    Split
    Clean -Ressemble here
    Slug
    Clean - or here.
    Blank
    Head Graze
    GB - off

    again I don't have all the abilities, currently i'm doing this for my wildfire as without guass round it was only way that made sense for me to use GB at all. I get 1 Split, 2 Slugs, 2 Clean outta my Guass + ICs.
    Hey, you actually leave off Gauss Barrel once you get off Ricochet + Gauss Round + Head Graze + Blank because leaving it on and losing out on your autos is a damage loss.

    There are two openers: one that starts with 5 ammo and one that starts with Reload. Optimally, you should be using the 5 ammo opener which allows you to use 11 ammo'ed skills in the opener. The Reload opener is just being convenient, but it's taking in account that you weave in 2 oGCDs and that an earlier Reload means you don't have to waste a oGCD slot while keeping as minimal time on Gauss Barrel as possible, which results in longer buff duration and more autos while your Wildfire is active.
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    Telepwnsauce's Avatar
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    Asclepius Windwalker
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    Coeurl
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    I figured as long as you were IC your main abilities then then 20% would actually be increase of the AA's. I agree leaving it on all the time is a dps loss, but in the opener if you leave it on for all IC's wouldn't that be increase not sure exact time on how many AA you would lose above leaving it on for another slug/split/clean/slug/clean. As the split is IC. so is everything else. Guessing what 2-3 AA's? to me 20% more on your harder hitting abilities would beat out those 2-3 AA's

    however i do not have a parser, nor stats to back it up. Just seems as much.
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    Divebombs's Avatar
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    Krie Arda
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    So is this new rotation still on par with Bard or does the Rapid Fire fix ruin everything and make this class garbage again? Given that SE has said at the same time that they don't want to make balance changes until after Alexander, I'm kind of losing hope here.
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    arctic's Avatar
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    Excel Kobayashi
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cascadi View Post
    Changelog

    07/07/2015 - Square Enix listens with the Gauss Barrel % increase from 20% to 30% in patch 3.01. Ricochet and Gauss Barrel are nerfed. DPS is now higher with Gauss Barrel active. Feint is now recommended over Quelling Strikes.
    Ehhhh? So is a new rotation going to be posted then?
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    Elizabeth's Avatar
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    Character
    Minerva Cho
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 68
    Quote Originally Posted by arctic View Post
    Ehhhh? So is a new rotation going to be posted then?
    I think the rotation remains the same.
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