Can we get modern english translation?

[Pluvia]

I really think a lot of people forget that it's not just English native speakers playing on the NA and EU servers. There's a lot of ESL peeps too. Yes, the game covers a lot of bases being translated into French, German, and English, but that still leaves out a huge portion of language learners out of the picture. The English we use today can be difficult enough for people to understand at a fluent level, let alone anything like earlier modern English that the game uses.

I don't think we should be given a second version or more direct version of the English dialogue purely because "people don't like it." But I do think that if there's enough of a problem for ESL from native languages not already supported, then it should be considered. Personally I like how the script is now, but I could see how it would be intimidating.

At that point I'd rather them to continue porting it to more languages instead of making a secondary English script.

[DreadRabbit]

At that point I'd rather them to continue porting it to more languages instead of making a secondary English script.

Now that I agree as well. It would be a better solution. However if it's enough of a problem and it'd be cheaper to just have the secondary English available, I see no harm in it.

[Intaki]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ersus_english/

The validity of that "translation" has been called into question in numerous prior threads by people literate in Japanese and not trying to push an agenda. And that's completely ignoring the fact that none of the information is actually missing in the English text. It's simply implied and suggested, rather than beaten over the head with.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

So I guess this will go on for 10 more pages, die off, someone bumps it, and we start all over again. Oh well.

[Pluvia]

So I guess this will go on for 10 more pages, die off, someone bumps it, and we start all over again. Oh well.

Its teh never ending story CALL FALCOR IN HERE

[Parryacg]

text limit op.

No, childish would me directly attacking you (or anyone else). Calling it for what it is is something else entirely. As the quote goes; "Hate the discussion, not the person."

This can go on for who knows how long but it's not going to change the fact that the original complaint itself is asking for costs over something that is neither a quality of life improvement or benefits to the game in anyway. With that said, I've shown I can be quite amicable in other threads. It's also been shown that people have been shut down due to their attempts to implement something stupid with limited resources Yoshi P and friends have.

Remember, development and implementation costs MONEY and while Yoshi P and friends have made a hell of alot of it with ARR, they are not an independent company; they're a dev team under squeenix. If Squeenix suddenly says "shutdown FF14", they're going to have to do it, no "ifs", "ands" or "buts".

And while I'll be the first to admit I honestly don't want something like that to happen, it doesn't change the fact that it can and will happen if Squeenix desires it.

[Edellis]

Modern english translation? No way. The use of well-directed use of dialect is one of my favorite parts of this game.


One of the main reasons i stopped living by Japanese Translations only is because one of the best parts of a good English translation is the bredth of dialect you can choose from. It changes everything. If the Ishgardians, Lominsans, Rouges, Gridanians and Ul'dan natives all spoke the same, they would lose a massive amount of their character.

Yes, I have A LOT of trouble understanding Urianger. Yes, Midgardsormr is hard to understand. But, they're using grammatically correct English, and speaking in coherent sentences and by trying to understand him, i'm actually learning something I wouldn't be getting from a typical JP-with-subtitles translation.


Honestly, translations like these just give me alot more respect for English, and the history of it as a language. The Japanese may simulate the same thing, but there simply is not as much diversity in Japanese than there is in English, because so many different people have spoken it. FFXIV was designed with a more broad western fantasy background, so it makes full sense that they would take that to their advantage in the translation.

[Inanna]

Please, no. It's one of the best parts.

[Aeyis]

Now that I agree as well. It would be a better solution. However if it's enough of a problem and it'd be cheaper to just have the secondary English available, I see no harm in it.

Implying that all English native speakers prefer the current adjustments to the text. :P

Modern english translation? No way. The use of well-directed use of dialect is one of my favorite parts of this game.


One of the main reasons i stopped living by Japanese Translations only is because one of the best parts of a good English translation is the bredth of dialect you can choose from. It changes everything. If the Ishgardians, Lominsans, Rouges, Gridanians and Ul'dan natives all spoke the same, they would lose a massive amount of their character.

Fair enough, but that exactly my gripe with it. It changes everything. (btw a good English translation chooses dialects only when they are appropriate, not just because they are available)

No, childish would me directly attacking you (or anyone else). Calling it for what it is is something else entirely. As the quote goes; "Hate the discussion, not the person."

This can go on for who knows how long but it's not going to change the fact that the original complaint itself is asking for costs over something that is neither a quality of life improvement or benefits to the game in anyway.

Thats not entirely correct, current way of speech is because the english translators are taking a rather broad approach to translation. Using modern english would bring it more in line with what its supposed to be, rather then how theyd like it to be.

Incidentally, you mention cost increase and how its not worth it. Consider that ''modern english'' is how it used to be in 1.0
What we currently have was changed (for the english localization only), and one might argue your same arguments could have been used there.



And I'll say it again: its anyones right to prefer one or the other. But dont be presumptious and say things like ''for none native english speakers'', as if all native English speakers agree with your opinions.


My opinion: I dislike the way the localization changed into the current. The translation team takes way too many liberties at altering the text to fit their own ideas, and it shows as well in the way that ''old english'' is used.
I'd rather have an understandable ''modern english'' text with hints of ''old english'', as at the end of the day the reader has to be able to understand what he/she is reading. And I'd much prefer they stick to translation instead of alteration, so I can appreciate the good translation I knew they are capable of.

[Kiara1]

I like the pirate speak but the old english is very annoying. Like someone said. Feels like they speak in riddles