The Ninja Superthread

[Ephier]

Found this - Seemed Appropriate

That huton bandaid fix was the nail in the coffin for me. GIVE ME MY GLOCK PLEASE!

[Zamii]

That huton bandaid fix was the nail in the coffin for me. GIVE ME MY GLOCK PLEASE!

well in all fairness, they could have just ignored the mudra situation entirely, at least this should provide a dps increase via an aditional shuriken/raiton as well as dampen the effect of having a poor ping.

[Ephier]

well in all fairness, they could have just ignored the mudra situation entirely, at least this should provide a dps increase via an aditional shuriken/raiton as well as dampen the effect of having a poor ping.

Of course I understand that right now with the expansion upcoming with would be probably impossible to even think about addressing that issue. My concern is when you have stuff like, http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...on_90150_ping/ that shows you difference in DPS that good and bad ping has on NIN. From what it seems like its just we going to do this to huton and leave it that way. Since I do not like the class the way it is, I will swap for now and maybe one day they will do something about it. D:

[silentwindfr]

you did miss the part where yoshida was saying that ninja didn't need any work on it? yeah, for them mudra lag work as intend naturally *nods nods*

ok let's stop to be cynical or an ass 2 second and let's see this from an objective view.

why the ninja don't need new mechanic? that a weird way to say this, since even if the jobs was introduce with the 2.4 an expansion is changing the world the possibility the jobs can offer. that a given for any mmorpg out.

it's not that ninja don't need new mechanic, it's more, they can't add new mechanic....
let's me explain what i means by this:
- first, i'm not the only one that did notice that ninja don't get new ninjutsu with this expansion.
- second, mudra lag is a reality for a lot of player.
- third, they can't fix something that work.

what i means by this, is the mudra system is working as intended, we can't go against this fact. because this system was tested in japan and in japan, the mudra lag don't exist. Yoshida when he did come in europe was shocked by the mudra lag, he didn't expect the connection to affect this much the game. and it where it become amazing, the trouble is not the mudra lag, but the net code.... the fact that the whole game is working from server side.

since they can't fix mudra lag without rewrite the net code, how they can fix it? they can't.... there we have a system that on paper and in japan is amazing, but outside japan become frustrating and random because of the lag. then it's why most of the change for the ninja don't affect mudra.... nor ninjutsu, but weapon skill, the only part that are barelly affected by the lag.

and there we have the brillant idea from the battle team... add positional, something that are too affected by lag, it's amazing to think that they did decide to add positional to ninja with the mudra...since the two are affected by the lag, any dragoon or monk can say it, it's not without reason that they did change the whole dragoon positional.

but ninja don't need work and work as intended... simply brillant!

[Zamii]

Of course I understand that right now with the expansion upcoming with would be probably impossible to even think about addressing that issue. My concern is when you have stuff like, http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...on_90150_ping/ that shows you difference in DPS that good and bad ping has on NIN. From what it seems like its just we going to do this to huton and leave it that way. Since I do not like the class the way it is, I will swap for now and maybe one day they will do something about it. D:

that thread really doesnt show anything, ninja varies a ton depending on where the crits are placed, a crit on trick attack is going to add a ton of damage compared to say a gust slash, not only that it only shows dps at that one ping, not a variance of different pings.
all it really is, is a chance for someone to show off another "i can hit big dps because crits happened when i needed them" thread.

[Arkenne]

Let's stop to being cynical or an ass

Im all up for that, tho it was never my intention.
Yyyyup, I admit I did an "aww" when I heard Yoshida say there wouldn't be many changes to the NIN.
But I still think we are looking at other kids open their xmas presents before us :/

What they gave me to understand in that speech tho, was not that they wanted to correct Mudra lag at all, but to reduce the frequency at which we need to refresh Huton, hence having the chances of throwing another Raiton -which in my case will be another Shuriken- (damned low ping privileges).
The Mudra lag issue was not addressed here at all, at least not directly, and if it was, then its pretty halfassed... I mean, this doesnt affect Suiton :v

I don't think we'll get this matter addressed anytime soon, sadly, just like DRG had the positional start up problem for quite a while or the SMN's mana issues...

5 more days >_>;;

[Allyrion]

Yea, that reddit thread doesn't show much about lag itself since a comparison from the same connection by one guy.

The OP in that posted that the variance was pretty much all about Trick Attack crits.
Particularly with 3 min parses, you're gonna have huge variance.

[Ephier]

Yea, that reddit thread doesn't show much about lag itself since a comparison from the same connection by one guy.

The OP in that posted that the variance was pretty much all about Trick Attack crits.
Particularly with 3 min parses, you're gonna have huge variance.

It is not the same connection. He uses wtfast to increase his ping by connecting to various different places.

[Alahra]

It is not the same connection. He uses wtfast to increase his ping by connecting to various different places.

What they are saying is that all the parses in that screenshot on are on the same (the poster's) connection. So that post doesn't display the variance that can occur because of lag in and of itself.

[Judge_Xero]

What they are saying is that all the parses in that screenshot on are on the same (the poster's) connection. So that post doesn't display the variance that can occur because of lag in and of itself.

It would be interesting to see a comparison for all classes then on the effect of that slight level of ping. It's true that his connection and ping jitter may not reflect what other experience as Mudra commands not registering or taking nearly a full GCD for each command it definitely looks like a good representation of the effect of ping/gameplay performance.

Comparing the first and last Parses with a difference of 12k Damage with nearly the same time stamp and Crit rate, that is quite a difference even if all of his TA's were crit.
Critting on the weakest skill vs TA should only be a difference of ~700 Damage each occurrence. (Worst Case scenario)

It would be better if he listed his total actions in that timeframe to get a look at the effects of ping delay on action queing, or if he was getting significant Mudra delay because of the ping differences, since it would have shown a lot less total weapon skills used due to CD que + Animation + ping delay with weaving, but that is significant for all Jobs regardless.