DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Nalien]

Well, even ignoring the argument that resouces spent on one piece content can't be spent on other content that people might like more, there is also the issue that adding dueling in the open world does affect the aesthetic of the game. People are allowed to dislike PvP so much that they don't even want to see it.

PvP actually has its own little development team, so time spent on PvP content isn't time that would otherwise be spent on PvE content. Scroll up and you'll see my opinion on what PvP content I'd prefer; New Maps or Duels.

Also go back a page or so for an example of the "aesthetic" this game has. Dueling is an active part of Ul'dah society. Main Scenario quest has you actively dueling. Duels seem to be something Adventurers (NPC ones, at least) actively participate in.

And yes, people are allowed to dislike PvP so much that they don't want to see it. You know what though? That means absolutely nothing. Does "I dislike it so nobody can have it!" sound like something a mature person would say? Sounds fairly childish to me. There are plenty of things I dislike in this game that I ignore because other people like them and I'm perfectly fine with them somehow finding enjoyment in things I dislike.

A lot of arguments can be used for a lot of different things in this game. That doesn't mean that they aren't valid arguments or shouldn't be considered. Just as people are voicing that they want open-world duels, others can voice that they want PvP to continue hidden in instances.

Again, instances are the thing we want to get away from with duels. More instance PvP is not what we want, for one thing queues are an issue with instances. Further compounding that issue is splitting PvPers up into multiple queues. The main reason many of us want duels is so we have something (PvP related) to do between queues. Locking it in an instance just completely misses the point.

[Gilthas]

PvP actually has its own little development team, so time spent on PvP content isn't time that would otherwise be spent on PvE content. Scroll up and you'll see my opinion on what PvP content I'd prefer; New Maps or Duels.

I doubt that adding dueling to the open world would only involve the PvP team.

Also go back a page or so for an example of the "aesthetic" this game has. Dueling is an active part of Ul'dah society. Main Scenario quest has you actively dueling. Duels seem to be something Adventurers (NPC ones, at least) actively participate in.

There's a world of a difference between duels in quests and having players duking it out wherever they want.

And yes, people are allowed to dislike PvP so much that they don't want to see it. You know what though? That means absolutely nothing. Does "I dislike it so nobody can have it!" sound like something a mature person would say? Sounds fairly childish to me. There are plenty of things I dislike in this game that I ignore because other people like them and I'm perfectly fine with them somehow finding enjoyment in things I dislike.

Yes that's immature, but going "I want it and I don't care if it affects you!" is so much more mature. Ask for new servers with dueling and I wouldn't argue against it, but forcing players that have zero interest in PvP to suddenly have to deal with dueling is just as selfish.

Again, instances are the thing we want to get away from with duels. More instance PvP is not what we want, for one thing queues are an issue with instances. Further compounding that issue is splitting PvPers up into multiple queues.

Easy fix with the queue issue: allow two players or groups to queue together to fight each other (something that already existed in FFXI).

[Nalien]

Yes that's immature, but going "I want it and I don't care if it affects you!" is so much more mature.

Dude, I have gone out of my way to suggest duels in a way that PvE players would simply not be impacted. Perhaps if some of you actually acknowledged those points and tried to counter them (if you can), I'd be more incline to take your arguments seriously.

Unless your line of argument really boils down to "I don't want to see two people dueling at all!", in which case sure... My "Grow the fuck up" certainly doesn't come off as mature either, but then I'm having a hard time understanding the frankly absurd argument here. You're all acting like duels would suddenly become some common place thing, instead of something rarer than people doing Treasure Maps or Hunts. How often have Treasure Maps/Hunts interfered with peoples game play?

A more apt comparison that does involve others is gilsellers. Noone asks to receive gilseller /tells or friend requests, noone goes to towns looking to have their chat populated with gilseller /shouts, /yells or /says. Noone asks for any of it. Open world duels would be just that, PvPers looking for people to /duel, getting people who may or may not want any part of it involved. And just the remote chance of harassment from a refused or blocked /duel is one chance too many.

Lets go back to something I said earlier, and you all ignored earlier, because you're all so insistent on ignoring the restrictions we've suggested for duels;

You really think people are going to persist in going "Add me to your Friendlist and go do this quest and get Rank 10 in PvP so I can duel you, chicken!"? You really think that would be a thing? Really? Even if it was, that is what my Blacklist is for, albeit is currently a glorified RMT directory. That is what GMs are for. That is what numerous suggestions in this thread have been for, that you're ignoring in favour of going "But this Korean MMO had problems!".

[Gilthas]

How often have Treasure Maps/Hunts interfered with peoples game play?

Unlike what you're asking for, Treasure Maps/Hunts don't happen all over the map.

As for your suggestions on how this wouldn't affect PvE players, how about the suggestion that I made that, you know, is so much better than any of yours: ask for a dueling server.

[Nalien]

Unlike what you're asking for, Treasure Maps/Hunts don't happen all over the map.

They... Literally do... Hunts and Treasure Maps have randomized locations, Maps a bit less so but they're still something which happen all over the place.

As for your suggestions on how this wouldn't affect PvE players, how about the suggestion that I made that, you know, is so much better than any of yours: ask for a dueling server.

Probably because I can see glaring issues with that. For starters we'd all have to move server, doubt they'd make a new server so PvE players would have to move off server. How would Housing be handled? I have to move server for duels so I lose my Free Company estate and private house? Gee, I wonder why I don't even consider this suggestion...

Oh look, once again you dodged acknowledging a suggestion which effectively sweeps away the issue you all seem to have with duels... Honestly, just acknowledge the damn suggestion. If you have such an issue with people spamming duel requests, how does locking duels being an opt in system and minimum PvP Rank requirement not solve that issue? Do you really think a bunch of asshats are going to run around demanding you reach PvP Rank 10 so they can "1v1 me brah!"?

[Gilthas]

They... Literally do... Hunts and Treasure Maps have randomized locations, Maps a bit less so but they're still something which happen all over the place.

No... They... Literally don't.

Probably because I can see glaring issues with that. For starters we'd all have to move server, doubt they'd make a new server so PvE players would have to move off server. How would Housing be handled? I have to move server for duels so I lose my Free Company estate and private house? Gee, I wonder why I don't even consider this suggestion...

Yes, you're right, lets inconvenience everyone else that joined a game without open-world PvP because you don't want to be inconvenienced. People that want to join their friends on other servers face those issues too. Not to mention the overwhelming advantage of having a PvP server: so much easier to find people to PvP with.

Oh look, once again you dodged acknowledging a suggestion which effectively sweeps away the issue you all seem to have with duels... Honestly, just acknowledge the damn suggestion. If you have such an issue with people spamming duel requests, how does locking duels being an opt in system and minimum PvP Rank requirement not solve that issue? Do you really think a bunch of asshats are going to run around demanding you reach PvP Rank 10 so they can "1v1 me brah!"?

The problem with dueling isn't just dueling requests. It's having dueling happen everywhere you want it to. It changes the game whether you want to admit it or not, a change that I wouldn't welcome.