DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Gilthas]

That aesthetic is not determined by the players but by the developers or more so Yoshi P in this case who is a fan of PVP, you are just stating the view of how you see this game rather then the devs in that case. People are fine to dislike what they want just how I dislike seeing the circus freak town that glamours has turned this game into but I will never ask for the feature to not be there, I also feel the resources used to make vanity pieces can be used in other parts of the game instead.

Apples and Oranges.

Yes, Yoshi-P is a fan of PvP. I also bet that he's a fan of a lot of other stuff too. He's also the director of the game and knows better than just make FFXIV to his own tastes. A glaring example of this is crafting and gathering that he has no interest in yet is still in the game.

You saying that you wouldn't ask for glamours to not be in the game is completely meaningless to this argument, because it's entirely possible that glamours simply don't bother you as much as dueling would bother others.

Here's the thing: I don't like PVP but let's be fair, every one of us has a list of content that we don't play or don't like. The resource argument can be, and is, thrown at everything in this game. The aesthetic complaint can just as easily be applied to the players spamming emotes or actions. For players like us (who will never touch a dueling system), my only request is that, by default, I can't be bothered with it. If it doesn't impact my game play, then it doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned.

A lot of arguments can be used for a lot of different things in this game. That doesn't mean that they aren't valid arguments or shouldn't be considered. Just as people are voicing that they want open-world duels, others can voice that they want PvP to continue hidden in instances.

[Teryaani]

A lot of arguments can be used for a lot of different things in this game. That doesn't mean that they aren't valid arguments or shouldn't be considered. Just as people are voicing that they want open-world duels, others can voice that they want PvP to continue hidden in instances.

Sure, but the aesthetic argument you used could just as easily be applied to literally anything else in the game.

"Bikini miqo'tes in Ishgard wrecks the aesthetic "
"Mount spam in Mor Dhona wrecks the aesthetic"
"Lalafells wreck the aesthetic for me"

I'm not disagreeing that you can voice that it annoys you, just realize that your argument will join the above ones (and more) in the chatter that comes from the forums.

Me personally? I have to fight the knee-jerk reaction I have whenever pvp comes up. WPVP abuse in WoW (PVE server mind you) was the reason I left that game. Given the frustration it caused it's hard not to shoot down anything that leans toward WPVP. Everything boils down to one and only one argument: Will this impact my game play? If I can be spammed, then I don't want it. If I can't, then just like the dragoon spamming the pole dance, I'll just pretend it's not there.

[Nalien]

Will this impact my game play? If I can be spammed, then I don't want it. If I can't, then just like the dragoon spamming the pole dance, I'll just pretend it's not there.

Well, so far I've suggested locking requests behind a minimum PvP Rank requirement among other things (having to be on each others Friendslist, similar to Mail Mog, simply having an opt in option that PvEers can simply never check, etc.), though this seems to be something the "No Duels!" crowd insists on ignoring. I imagine that would prevent you from being spammed though?

[Teryaani]

Well, so far I've suggested locking requests behind a minimum PvP Rank requirement among other things (having to be on each others Friendslist, similar to Mail Mog, simply having an opt in option that PvEers can simply never check, etc.), though this seems to be something the "No Duels!" crowd insists on ignoring. I imagine that would prevent you from being spammed though?

"People shouldn't be like cats", but we are. I think it gets worse online because of the lack of any physical feedback (expressions, tone). It's way easier to find a bucket (PVPer, Raider, Casual, etc) and toss people into it then to see a person's argument on it's own merits. I do it all the dang time and it's hard not to do it.