DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[jinda]

yoshi please give us ghe duel system.

[CarmenSandiego]

Here's an idea: Ignore it. Whining about whiners is twice as useless. Don't let other people's complaining get in the way of a new feature in the game. If Square Enix deem that rebalancing should happen for duels, so be it. But not wanting more things in game because it might be an eye-sore on the forums is silly. The best you can do is offer suggestions here in order to make it as good a feature that caters to as many people as possible.

[Khyan]

Yes on open world. Totally agree. But not in the cities though.

People are afraid of PvP even when this kind of PvP can't hurt anyone. It's selfish.
I don't PvP much but a system like that can be useful for training and improving a job/skill. And for fun, of course.

But it seems that there are not many players who know what is fun with PvP, especially when this remains optional and isn't necessary at all.

As I said before: it's all about fear and selfishness to refuse this kind of PvP system.
The E-pen argument is not really viable since we can see this on PvE. (simple example : hello tanks who fight for keep hate with dps or other tanks)
In fact, I don't see any viable "against arguments" around here. But well, matter of taste and opinion anyway.

[Galdous]

How about no and no.

[Talec]

"boohoo, I can't win against a Bard! NERF BARDS!"

Patch 3.1: "Bard DMG was nerfed for -20%. Aditionally, they have to stand still now to activate ANY skill. Wanderers Minuet has been taken out of the game."

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Not interested. Duels make everything worse, because people start to campare and asks for nerf destroiyng any balance every game ever had.

[Nalien]

"boohoo, I can't win against a Bard! NERF BARDS!"

Patch 3.1: "Bard DMG was nerfed for -20%. Aditionally, they have to stand still now to activate ANY skill. Wanderers Minuet has been taken out of the game."

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Not interested. Duels make everything worse, because people start to campare and asks for nerf destroiyng any balance every game ever had.

Could you please actually read the thread, rather than just jumping in with a knee-jerk reaction? PvP is balanced completely separately from PvE in this game, PvP balance is never going to impact your PvE gameplay. Complaints about various Jobs already occur in the PvP section and you're completely oblivious to them, why would you suddenly suffer them with duels when you're currently completely unaware of them? Such complaints already happen. They already don't impact PvE balance. Duels wouldn't change a single damned thing in that regard.

To be honest, I'm flabbergasted that you seem to think your solution is "superior" when the negatives it will cause players far outweigh your "eww duels" mentality. But considering your view that a player losing 70 million gil and housing property is insignificant, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Another thing I didn't think of last night; Separate servers is just segregation. I happen to have plenty of friends who aren't interested in PvP, should they have to move to a PvP server when they're not interested in PvP? So now I'm losing over 70m gil and potentially a good chunk of my friendslist. Housing issues would be rare since not everyone owns one (or two), I'll admit, but I imagine plenty of PvPers have friends who simply wouldn't need/want to move server for duels. A new server for duel requests is simply a bad solution. It's a lot of hassle and inconveniences a lot of people, considering it's only a solution to protect a couple peoples precious virgin eyes from witnessing two people dueling...

[Talec]

Could you please actually read the thread, rather than just jumping in with a knee-jerk reaction? PvP is balanced completely separately from PvE in this game, PvP balance is never going to impact your PvE gameplay. Complaints about various Jobs already occur in the PvP section and you're completely oblivious to them, why would you suddenly suffer them with duels when you're currently completely unaware of them? Such complaints already happen. They already don't impact PvE balance. Duels wouldn't change a single damned thing in that regard.

That's - sad as it is - bullshit. I'm playing MMORPGs for 15 years now (probably longer than you *jerkmode on*) from the beginnings of Ultima Online to these days. I have seen what duel comparisons did to all the games outside. The reason why they don't affect us now, is because a maybe sloppy 3% of the playerbase do PvP. It's suche a smale whining scale, that nobody cares.
But once you can't walk through Mor Dhona without getting 50 Duel Requests and people try it out and getting beaten ans start to compare the classes in one on one situations, every second thread in here will be a whining thread "why is XY so strong! boohoo, nerf him!" and SE is forced to do something.

Seriously, this is like reading out of a book:

"Apocalypse - whe beginning of the end
Once upon a time, a duel-function got into the game..."

[Nalien]

But once you can't walk through Mor Dhona without getting 50 Duel Requests and people try it out and getting beaten ans start to compare the classes in one on one situations, every second thread in here will be a whining thread "why is XY so strong! boohoo, nerf him!" and SE is forced to do something.

Jesus Christ, please stop making me repeat myself;

WE HAVE SUGGESTED NUMEROUS WAYS IN WHICH PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DUELS CAN BE KEPT OUTSIDE THE LOOP.

Locking duels behind a quests. If you haven't done the quest, people can't send you challenges.
Locking duels behind a minimum PvP Rank. You don't have Rank 10? Nobody can challenge you to a duel. Do you really think some asshat is going to run around demanding you reach Rank 10 PvP in order to 1v1 you?
Locking them behind an opt-in process, like the Friendslist. If you don't opt-in, nobody can send you a duel request.

Please do explain how you're going to get spammed with requests with such restrictions in place. Better yet, how about you explain why, if complaining about balance became a thing (even though it already is), it would even affect you, because, once again; PvP is balanced separately for PvE. People already complain about Job balance in PvP to some degree. SE already doesn't balance PvE around those complaints, they balance PvP around those complaints (Clerics Stance stills works in PvE, right?). Those complaints are already limited to the PvP subsection and would not suddenly migrate to the General Discussion. Seriously, when issues with PvP balance already do not affect PvE in the slightest, what makes you think duels will suddenly change that? All of the PvP balance threads get put in the PvP section, where you'll never see them. Quite a few PvP threads even get moved there. SE still wont listen to PvP balance requests and change PvE because of it though, because that isn't how they've set up PvP in this game. Why is it so hard to get this point through your collective skulls? Summoner still gets Resurrect outside PvP. White Mage/Scholar still get Clerics Stance. Bard doesn't have to find a certain distance from their enemy to maximize damage, etc. etc.

PvP balance does not affect PvE balance. The two are balanced separately because the developers have a few more brain cells than most MMO developers. Why would they change this because of duels? It was a brilliant idea to balance both separately and duels, in no way, would cause them to change that concept.

Jesus Christ this is getting old... Sorry for the caps and if that came off as a tad harsh, but yeah... I am fucking sick of people out right ignoring the points made, read the bleedin' thread. Stop acting like PvP content will destroy PvE balance when that is absolute bullshit.

The reason why they don't affect us now, is because a maybe sloppy 3% of the playerbase do PvP. It's suche a smale whining scale, that nobody cares.

The reason it doesn't affect you now is because PvP is balanced separately from PvE, but I'm curious... If only a "sloppy" 3% of the playerbase do PvP... What makes you think duels would skyrocket that number to a significant point that PvP balance complaints suddenly start impacting PvE? To me, "Not a lot of people PvP" translates to "Not a lot of people would be interested in duels", which just makes all of the complaints in this thread even more pathetic. People will be dueling everywhere and spamming requests (since I bet someone is going to ignore the suggested restrictions again)? Well that simply wont happen because not a lot of people PvP. Duels will cause so much lag? Not if only 3% are interested in PvP and they're spread out across the map. Duels will be a blight on the landscape? Same answer as before.

Why would duels suddenly turn enough people into PvPers to the point where PvP balance threads become more numerous and continue to only affect PvP balance?

Hence, for both these lore reasons, 1x1 PvP simply does not fit story wise - your character is too far up on the moral high ground to lower themselves to beating up more average adventurers simply to flout said strength. Or at least, that's what it seems to me.

What about Ul'dah? They have a culture pretty heavily rooted in duels. The Coliseum, where a certain someone made his claim to fame, also came back up in the Hildibrand quest arc where we were, go figure, going to duel random people until someone crashed the opera duel. Halatali (Hard) which was basically "PvP, the dungeon". People in Eorzea fight each other, deal with it. There is no lore reason not to have duels where there are so many examples of such culture throughout Eorzea.

Heck, your point that we're "too far up on the moral high ground" is completely absurd considering PvP already exists... How do you explain Wolves' Den or Frontlines in that context? We're already going around beating up fellow adventurers to flout our strength... What's the big difference between 1v1 and 4v4 from a lore standpoint? There isn't one.

[Mutemutt]

I would prefer them spending time improving the pvp that's already here. Like something to revive wolve's den and secure.
1v1 just isn't very exciting for me.

[Nalien]

I would prefer them spending time improving the pvp that's already here. Like something to revive wolve's den and secure.
1v1 just isn't very exciting for me.

Wolves' Den adjustments are actually already planned for 3.1 and 3.2 IIRC.

Honestly though, duels wouldn't take a great deal of effort to implement, virtually all the frame work is already in place thanks to content like Levequests and Triple Triad. Certainly an easy thing to implement than an additional Frontlines mode, which is what we're getting in 3.0, new map and all.