The constant disbanding of Steps of Faith

[Fynlar]

Because an expansion is bad if you can't faceroll content, amirite?

Storyline content? Yeah, it kinda is. Especially if you're going to essentially lock out an expansion with that sort of content.

Difficulty belongs in the optional extreme/coil/alexander/etc. fights, where actual rewards exist.

[StrejdaTom]

Storyline content? Yeah, it kinda is. Especially if you're going to essentially lock out an expansion with that sort of content.

Difficulty belongs in the optional extreme/coil/alexander/etc. fights, where actual rewards exist.

Yeah, but compared to the raids and em primals, steps of faith is just a casual stroll in the park.
I don't see a reason why everything related to story should be a faceroll content, then maybe lets just make story just be running from NPC A to B and watching cutscenes where our characters fight, doesn't differ a lot from facerolling anyways.

[RiceisNice]

Yeah, but compared to the raids and em primals, steps of faith is just a casual stroll in the park.
I don't see a reason why everything related to story should be a faceroll content, then maybe lets just make story just be running from NPC A to B and watching cutscenes where our characters fight, doesn't differ a lot from facerolling anyways.

Compare it to the other main scenario fights rather than coil. And even then, I feel like SoF is presented poorly especially for a fight that gets immediately put on DF. That's the problem I have, along side the fact how the previous main scenario fights (HM primals, especially levi) were done before SoF. It's a complete shift in what you're typically used to/doing. The matter of fact is that its still required for the expansion and having a fairly low clear rate is bad design and marketing.

It's like getting someone to play a platformer (straight forward, perhaps facerolly like levi HM) to something like Dark Souls. (different approach and requiring different concepts from a platformer game)

[Felis]

Compare it to the other main scenario fights rather than coil.

Ok
Let us compare it to CT1 during 2.1, where a wipe was guaranteed if people didn't listen to the strats and ignored simple mechanics (like 4 man on platform during the Atomos fight). Where people even wiped in the first trash enemies room.

[RiceisNice]

Ok
Let us compare it to CT1 during 2.1, where a wipe was guaranteed if people didn't listen to the strats and ignored simple mechanics (like 4 man on platform during the Atomos fight). Where people even wiped in the first trash enemies room.

I said other main scenario fights. Not Crystal tower. Now we're going from a 8-man trial to a raid.

I have more trouble with SoF than I do with most of the ex primals nowadays; that ought to say something.

Most people were not calling Chrysalis a "faceroll" fight; some here have even said it is harder than SoF. And to me, Chrysalis was a far better constructed fight, even though I never had trouble with it like I do with SoF.

At least Chrysalis somewhat catered to being straight forward and the typical 8-man composition (2 tanks, 2 healer 4 dps). SoF does not do this when it tries to feed you vague advice ("Arrows and slings will us little against this foe!") and the add damage being nowhere near the level of requiring two tanks.

[Nalien]

Compare it to the other main scenario fights rather than coil.

Castrum Meridianum pretty much introduced all the mechanics Steps of Faith uses. Something like Garuda (Hard) used to require much more explanation and coordination as well.

The issue I think we have is that SE never introduced an iLv sync on such content, so now it is just ridiculously easy to the point where new players don't pick up those mechanics at all, they just get carried through by a group of i110+ players.

[Alberel]

Compare it to the other main scenario fights rather than coil. And even then, I feel like SoF is presented poorly especially for a fight that gets immediately put on DF. That's the problem I have, along side the fact how the previous main scenario fights (HM primals, especially levi) were done before SoF. It's a complete shift in what you're typically used to/doing. The matter of fact is that its still required for the expansion and having a fairly low clear rate is bad design and marketing.

It's like getting someone to play a platformer (straight forward, perhaps facerolly like levi HM) to something like Dark Souls. (different approach and requiring different concepts from a platformer game)

Comparing it to Dark Souls is a little much... just because you personally find it irrationally more difficult than it actually is does not warrant a comparison to suggest everyone does. This line of argument is basically saying that we can never have any variety in content because people can't adapt. Is that what you want? Nothing but fights where everyone just burns the boss whilst ignoring AOEs that do too little damage to actually bother dodging them?

It's incredibly sad that the creative direction of future storyline content is going to be completely inhibited because a few players don't want to have to think about anything...

[Nalien]

It's incredibly sad that the creative direction of future storyline content is going to be completely inhibited because a few players don't want to have to think about anything...

Crap like this also makes the Elitist/Casual dichotomy far more apparent and creates more vitriol in the community as a result.

Content should have progressively gotten more challenging and required more attention from players. Instead the opposite has happened, everything has progressively gotten so much easier. It is absolutely no surprise that there are so many terrible players out there. Had content been progressively more challenging, your average player would generally be better at the game and things like T5 wouldn't be such a road block for some. Instead your average player still can't even deal with the simplest of mechanics, and SE now has to cater to them for fear of losing subscribers... Alienating those of us who are starting to fall asleep at the simplicity of so much of this games content...

I'm really not too sure why anyone thinks it's OK for SE to cater to these individuals constantly. It's a terrible plan which cheapens the entire game. I know plenty of people who quit this game due to the relative ease of its content, I'm not even going to try convincing them to come back... What would I say, "Remember how we had a hard time with Garuda (Hard)? She's a total joke now, you should totally start playing again!"? If you actually lay out what happens to content in this game and try to use that as a sales pitch, I don't think anyone would buy it. Had players been given ample room to develop and get better at the game, rather than constantly having those chances removed, we'd have a much better game and could expect much better content. That's a sales pitch which would actually work. Shame the opposite is true.

[Sapphic]

Crap like this also makes the Elitist/Casual dichotomy far more apparent and creates more vitriol in the community as a result.

Content should have progressively gotten more challenging and required more attention from players.

But still some players are able to clear coil. Even with the sudden ramp in difficulty, but imagine how the forums would go if they start adding tiered difficulty? Well, we will find out soon in 3.0 with Alexander (normal). Too many players don't want to be challenged, they want to be able to face roll derp through everything.