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    Zanmato's Avatar
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    Saizou Kirigakure
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    The constant disbanding of Steps of Faith

    Upon entering the Daily Roulette Trials and getting Steps of Faith, people almost always leave.

    Something must be done, SE.

    People are stuck in the story and can't progress due to people unwilling to do the fight.

    Now, I myself have already beaten it, but I am concerned with those stuck and restricted from progress due to, what I just said, people unwilling to stay and do the fight.
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    Eorzean Climber (Noborist)

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    Chen Kotomi
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    i can't help but think the fight would be infinitely more doable if it weren't for the turtle...
    But then again, people just want to faceroll everything, and SoF requires actual effort and coordination
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    i can't help but think the fight would be infinitely more doable if it weren't for the turtle...
    But then again, people just want to faceroll everything, and SoF requires actual effort and coordination
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    Ask your FC to help ^^. The only way I managed to get it down was to go tank and be the one to bring the little guys into cannon range. I don't mind helping people do this, but there are a lot of unhelpful people in the DF >.>.
    I have beaten it already, as I stated in the first post. I'm concerned with those who haven't, and that the fight is required(?) for reaching Heavensward.
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    Last edited by Zanmato; 04-29-2015 at 04:48 PM.
    Eorzean Climber (Noborist)

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    Cirra Maru
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    Famfrit
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    Ask your FC to help ^^. The only way I managed to get it down was to go tank and be the one to bring the little guys into cannon range. I don't mind helping people do this, but there are a lot of unhelpful people in the DF >.>.
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    Naiyah Nanaya
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    I think the biggest deterrent for repeat clears is the fight is on rails and doesn't reset until it's run its course even if it's a clear failure. "Missed a Dragonkiller shot for any reason? Whoops. Too bad for you. Now sit there and watch the fight slowly progress towards failure for another 10 minutes before you're allowed to try again."
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    With this character's death, the thread of prophecy remains intact.

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    Riepah Redeemer
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    I think the biggest deterrent for repeat clears is the fight is on rails and doesn't reset until it's run its course even if it's a clear failure. "Missed a Dragonkiller shot for any reason? Whoops. Too bad for you. Now sit there and watch the fight slowly progress towards failure for another 10 minutes before you're allowed to try again."
    Missing one Dragonkiller is NOT a clear failure. Can still be done.
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    Stouter Taru
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    Missing one Dragonkiller is NOT a clear failure. Can still be done.
    I did a run of this where a bard died well before the first dragonkiller and just sat at the start, declaring it a wipe at that point. He was our assigned spearman.

    Putting it in main scenario would require ilvl90 to do main scenario...
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    Joxer Themighty
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    Quote Originally Posted by StouterTaru View Post
    I did a run of this where a bard died well before the first dragonkiller and just sat at the start, declaring it a wipe at that point. He was our assigned spearman.

    Putting it in main scenario would require ilvl90 to do main scenario...
    Wow. I would have been pulling my hair out if I was in that party.

    I can also confirm that you do not need all the spears to beat the fight.

    My first run we did with one spear left (Boss died at the crates) and the second time our spear person missed the first one, but we got it right at the ending gate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riepah View Post
    Missing one Dragonkiller is NOT a clear failure. Can still be done.
    It was a bit of an exaggeration I'll admit, but if you miss a Dragonkiller everyone had better perform their roles like diamonds (or be severely overgeared) for the rest of the fight to make up for it. And my larger point still stands that if you screw up too much to salvage a win, you're forced to sit there and wait for the fight to fail itself before you can reset and try again. I'm the kind of person who will stick with a duty until it becomes clear we wont be able to continue, but I can fully understand how Step's on-rails, hard-reset design would deter people from attempting it again after clearing it once.
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElHeggunte View Post
    It was a bit of an exaggeration I'll admit, but if you miss a Dragonkiller everyone had better perform their roles like diamonds (or be severely overgeared) for the rest of the fight to make up for it. And my larger point still stands that if you screw up too much to salvage a win, you're forced to sit there and wait for the fight to fail itself before you can reset and try again. I'm the kind of person who will stick with a duty until it becomes clear we wont be able to continue, but I can fully understand how Step's on-rails, hard-reset design would deter people from attempting it again after clearing it once.
    I killed it in a FC group before for one person who needed, the boss died before he got to the 2nd dragonkiller. Technically you don't need any dragon killers to kill him if everyone is i130.
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