DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[kyuven]

1. Why is it impractical?
2. Why would dueling outside a city be more dangerous? Dangerous to who?
3. What clutter are you talking about? Character collision in this game doesn't exist.

A lot of these "reasons" sound more like personal preferences rather than real reasons to me.

1+2: Takes time to get to and you have to go out of your way. There's no one there to watch unless you invite them so why bother? It's more dangerous because outside of cities/sanctuaries tend to be mobs. When a zone/instance for this sort of thing already exists that you can queue/warp to, why bother with anything else?
3. Players generate lag just by existing. Players that perform actions generate more lag. Imagine if 10 people in Mor Dhona decided to duel one another at the same time. Not only are they making NOISE, but they're also lagging other players when they do so. Imagine an S rank hunt in all the popular areas all the time.

The PvP skills do not result in you having to relearn your Job... They all have very clear uses, none of them are remotely complex. Any relearning is due to PvP being drastically different, must more fast paced and not 100% scripted. That is what people find hard to learn, not that the skills are hard to grasp. If anyone is looking at Attunement and going "How do I use this?", quit right now.

They are new skills, not available anywhere else. You will be expected to use them in PVP to succeed. Therefore, you have to relearn how to play your class because your class has new abilities it did not under normal circumstances. They also have to be FIT onto your action bar.
And practicing on a dummy? That tells you nothing about how to actually use a skill. Sure, it can tell you durations and stacking rules, but it teaches you nothing.
Again, once again, and again and again i seem to be reiterating myself: 1v1 Wolves Den would be FINE for this. I have no problem with 1v1 Wolves Den.
OPEN PvP, outside Wolves Den? No.

Seriously, just stop. You don't seem to know what you're talking about. Have you even done any PvP in this game?

Yes, I have. The queues got boring, so I stopped. Even the roulette takes forever, which makes no sense.
Frontlines used to be the "new shiny," so the queues were fast. It stopped being the new shiny, so it stopped being popular. Just like a lot of dungeons have. Just like Wolves Den. Just like pre-50 dungeons. Just like FATE parties in zones other than Coerthas.

1. A good portion of this game is spent running around and you have an issue with walking just outside of town?
2. "There's no one there to watch..." I need to see a source on that please. Dueling doesn't even exist in this game yet and yet you are able to make such a prediction that no one will be outside to watch?
3. Are we talking about the level 1-3 mobs outside of major cities?
4. "Imagine if 10 people in Mor Dhona decided to duel one another at the same time." - I said outside of sanctuaries.
5. Noise is a bother to you in this game? Who's forcing you to stand in a dueling area with your volume turned to the max?

Again DUELING AREA.
One exists. Why not use that instead of having it anywhere else? Why spend time devising a system of such limited use when they can just apply it to something that already exists.
Why bother going through all the testing and trouble of allowing duels in areas players aren't actually hanging out when you could add them to a zone/instance that already exists?

5. No one. But you want open PVP. Something like that can and will be used to harass people. As I'm typing this while waiting on a queue, someone ran by and used Ring of Thorns. It's irritating. Why give them the option when you can just make use of an area that already exists? Why allow duels in the middle of nowhere for no reason when you can make use of an area that already exists?

[kpxmanifesto]

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1. A good portion of this game is spent running around and you have an issue with walking just outside of town?
2. "There's no one there to watch..." I need to see a source on that please. Dueling doesn't even exist in this game yet and yet you are able to make such a prediction that no one will be outside to watch?
3. Are we talking about the level 1-3 mobs outside of major cities?
4. "Imagine if 10 people in Mor Dhona decided to duel one another at the same time." - I said outside of sanctuaries.
5. Noise is a bother to you in this game? Who's forcing you to stand in a dueling area with your volume turned to the max?

[mrmelgibson]

@kyuven

I'm more of a pver then pvper. I agree about no duels in cities/sanctuary. But, the reasons you gave for not allowing duels outside of cities/towns are just ludicrous. It's almost like you were humiliated in a duel in another mmo. Your phobia of it happening again is turning into vitriol. At this point you won't even listen to reason.

[kpxmanifesto]

5. No one. But you want open PVP. Something like that can and will be used to harass people. As I'm typing this while waiting on a queue, someone ran by and used Ring of Thorns. It's irritating. Why give them the option when you can just make use of an area that already exists? Why allow duels in the middle of nowhere for no reason when you can make use of an area that already exists?

You really got irritated by someone using ring of thorns? I really hope you don't participate in any sort of large scale hunt or FATE. What are you gonna do when ring of thorns get used 5 or 6 times? Throw your computer out the window? All your so called "reasons" for not having dueling outside of sanctuaries just boils down to personal preference. I've not seen any other people bringing up any sort of rationale that coincides with yours.