DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Nalien]

Don't want this at all. There is no point in 1v1 pvp even in just dueling when every real pvp feature is team based. It's just for e-peen and I don't think it has a place here, and I don't want the kind of environment it creates.

Duels are a far better way to practice PvP than those worthless dummies in Wolves Den Pier. Not to mention a great piece of content to do while waiting for PvP queues, seeing as people who are queuing for PvP generally want to PvP I'd imagine every PvPer would welcome the content, seeing as it turns waiting for over 30 minutes not PvPing into waiting for over 30 minutes (perhaps it would lower the queues since people would more readily be able to PvP even) while PvPing. We can also balance it ourselves, same verses same for a challenge, whatever for practice.

Sorry, but "e-peen" is far from the only reason to have duels. Believe it or not, but some of us PvPers (as in, seemingly every PvPer who has weighed in on this thread) actually just want to have fun, rather than showing off.

In any event, this is not helping PvP's case in any way and only serves to show just how immature, rude and arrogant a lot of players who want 1x1 PvP in FFXIV really are.

Sorry, but put yourself in our shoes. We have gone out of our way to suggest Duels in such a way that it as next to no impact on PvEers, and still people insist that there is somehow something wrong, either out right ignoring basically everything we've said, or resorting to utterly inane lines of argument like "PvPers will lag out zones and cause too much noise pollution with Duels!".

Constantly dealing with people like this gets frustrating, and yes, some of them are being childish and overly sensitive. What else do you call it when someone doesn't like something and thus insists that nobody should have it as a result? That is a very childish attitude. There are plenty of PvEers who have chimed in on this topic, having actually read it and realized what we're asking for wouldn't impact them in any significant way. There are also plenty of childish PvEers who's posts basically amount to "I don't like it so you can't have it!". Perhaps that's just their knee-jerk reaction to the topic and they've not read it at all so they don't know what we're suggesting, but am I meant to call that mature? Jumping into a topic and disregarding its content, to me, is still childish.

Is it insulting? Sure. You try putting up with the same childish arguments over and over. It's getting pretty ridiculous at this point, very few people are actually discussing the topic; They're either touting the same childish line of thinking while completely ignoring the discussion, or they're complaining about how "care bear" is or isn't an insult. How about people actually pick apart the suggestion if they have a problem with it? The best I've seen so far is the aforementioned "It'll cause lag/noise pollution" argument and that was woefully pathetic.

I'm glad there are a few reasonable people out there, all you guys going "I don't PvP, but this sounds fine", you all get a cookie. Thank you for actually reading the suggestion and responding in a mature manner.

[kpxmanifesto]

Sorry, but "e-peen" is far from the only reason to have duels. Believe it or not, but some of us PvPers (as in, seemingly every PvPer who has weighed in on this thread) actually just want to have fun, rather than showing off.

I think it speaks volumes that many PvPers are going as far as to ask SE for duels while asking them to disregard class balance at the same time. It has to be for fun. No rational PvPer (I would hope) would ask SE to implement duels, ask them to also disregard class balance citing duels as recreational purpose, and then use duels to show off.

[Teryaani]

Sorry, but put yourself in our shoes. We have gone out of our way to suggest Duels in such a way that it as next to no impact on PvEers, and still people insist that there is somehow something wrong, either out right ignoring basically everything we've said, or resorting to utterly inane lines of argument like "PvPers will lag out zones and cause too much noise pollution with Duels!".

You have gone out of your way as have a handful of other players and you're right, this is something that would be a good feature if implemented correctly.

Constantly dealing with people like this gets frustrating, and yes, some of them are being childish and overly sensitive. What else do you call it when someone doesn't like something and thus insists that nobody should have it as a result? That is a very childish attitude. There are plenty of PvEers who have chimed in on this topic, having actually read it and realized what we're asking for wouldn't impact them in any significant way. There are also plenty of childish PvEers who's posts basically amount to "I don't like it so you can't have it!". Perhaps that's just their knee-jerk reaction to the topic and they've not read it at all so they don't know what we're suggesting, but am I meant to call that mature? Jumping into a topic and disregarding its content, to me, is still childish.

Is it insulting? Sure. You try putting up with the same childish arguments over and over. It's getting pretty ridiculous at this point, very few people are actually discussing the topic; They're either touting the same childish line of thinking while completely ignoring the discussion, or they're complaining about how "care bear" is or isn't an insult. How about people actually pick apart the suggestion if they have a problem with it? The best I've seen so far is the aforementioned "It'll cause lag/noise pollution" argument and that was woefully pathetic.

And here is the problem. That carebear argument was me pointing out that I hoped you would get this but people need to stop insulting the other players. This is an image problem and that behavior exacerbates it.

I feel you on players that won't budge from their position. Focus on the people who will rather than raising your blood pressure on those who won't

I'm glad there are a few reasonable people out there, all you guys going "I don't PvP, but this sounds fine", you all get a cookie. Thank you for actually reading the suggestion and responding in a mature manner.

I like cookies!

[Orspeth]

Going to start being insulting and call people carebears are you? How about there's plenty of folks who don't like epeening little PVPers and have had enough experience with the type to pretty much loathe them. I have zero problem with you people having your little measuring contests in a private area where I don't have to see it. No need to do it in public unless you just want attention/like being a nuisance.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Going to start being insulting and call people carebears are you? How about there's plenty of folks who don't like epeening little PVPers and have had enough experience with the type to pretty much loathe them. I have zero problem with you people having your little measuring contests in a private area where I don't have to see it. No need to do it in public unless you just want attention/like being a nuisance.

Maybe they just want to make an event. Raiders are much more sinister then PvPers.

If your going to not add features because of a 1% instance you might as well remove dungeons and raids from the game.

"Someone kicked me out at the end of a dungeon, so that means you shouldn't add them!"
"Someone didn't like the way I was in a raid and kicked me out, raids suck!"

This is why we don't have interesting dynamic content. Its obvious they don't add such features and content because people are too immature to handle it.

[Launched]

Dueling would be fun. There's no reason to not have it. Don't want to do it? Have an option to disable it by default. Harrassment? Blacklist, report and move on, because only an extremely small minority would do something like that. If you're not interested, that's fine, but deliberately asking for a feature to NOT be implemented just because you MIGHT get offended in the future is childish.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Dueling would be fun. There's no reason to not have it. Don't want to do it? Have an option to disable it by default. Harrassment? Blacklist, report and move on, because only an extremely small minority would do something like that. If you're not interested, that's fine, but deliberately asking for a feature to NOT be implemented just because you MIGHT get offended in the future is childish.

Yes, but they are also admitting they are too immature to have such features in video games. Who knows? If we got Open World PvP maybe we can actually get some interesting Open World Content!

[Misha_Snow]

Honestly I would love to have a /duel option, because when I'm in Goblet waiting for a duty with friends we'd like to have some fun. I mean it's not possible even to play Triple Triad in Goblet, not even in the FC house =/ And so far from my experience every MMO that had a duel system also had an option in the settings to automatically decline them. And it can't get more annoying than people sending trade requests when you try to teleport >.>

[Rhas]

Sorry but I think this was needed considering what this topic degenerated into.

[kpxmanifesto]

I like it!