Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Tuathaa]

"no skipping anything" is a demand. Following suit by immediately pulling mobs upon suspicion that I was not going listen to the demand reinforces the fact that it was intended to be used in a demanding manner, as does the response to my request that the DPS AoE.

Nope its a statement. If he had said "do not skip anything" that would be a demand. He didn't ask or demand.

You already said you went in there with the intention of skipping and started skipping with out saying anything. Then he started pulling optional mobs. At that point I highly doubt you politely asked him to aoe. It was more than likely a demand on your part.
Your compromise was basically "play the way I want you to play and be a good little boy and I might go back"

Basically he hit a nerve from the get go and you turned an iffy situation into a volatile one.

[Adire]

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It is a statement with a strong demanding tone. Many people have agreed on that already. Please refer to GenJoe's post.

Also, please quote where I said I had the intention to or were unwilling to not skip everything. If I had, why would I have offered him compromise in the first place? I pulled the first two sets of mobs without saying anything, yes, but I picked up the mobs he pulled and offered him a compromise during the fight with those mobs. I saw his demand, refused to follow his order until I figured out how he was going to treat me, and "righted my wrong" so to speak when I helped him out with the extra mobs he pulled.

Was my initial quietness rebellious? Yes, partly in reality. Fully in his eyes possibly. But against a demand, is it unreasonable? No. Is helping him with the mobs he pulled rebellious? No, it's a very reasonable thing to do. Is offering him compromise rebellious? Nope.

I also can't prove that we asked, rather than demanded, that he AoE. Assuming that I was unreasonable about it when I've said many times in this thread that I don't mind doing clears seems to be the worst assumption you could make though. Add to that that we helped him kill the mobs he pulled, and it should give you even more insight into my intent. That intent being that we were willing to compromise. Had I let him tank the mobs? That would have been a different story, sure. But I picked them up for him.

My compromise was basically "Please AoE so that this clear we are about to do for you doesn't take an agonizingly long time for us." Please do not put words into my mouth, Tuathaa. You seem to have a real bias against me here. Why? I don't know, but you are spinning things I've said into the wrong meanings.

We were there to get the dungeon done ASAP. When the healer is wanting a clear and a dps is willing to pull if you don't, it's pretty obvious that going along with the clear will make the dungeon go faster than standing around arguing about it, trying to not do a clear and being left to die, and letting dps pull and cause problems. I am not an idiot.

You are making a lot irrational assumptions that have no basis about me here.

You shouldn't but you shouldn't claim innocence in the issue either. It takes 2 to tango he rubbed you wrong and then you proceeded to rub him wrong and the whole thing went south.

And I have read every post you made in this thread pre and post edits.

It doesn't take two people to have an uncompromising, demanding, entitled person in the group, however.

With the exception of maybe immediately responding to him (I've already addressed why I didn't), I tried what I could to salvage this run.

Edit: Me saying "Why should I have to shoulder most of the blame" was referring to otarolgam saying I should by the way, not referring to your post. Just clarifying!

[otarolgam]

Also, please quote where I said I had the intention to or were unwilling to not skip everything. If I had, why would I have offered him compromise in the first place?

Being the rebel I am, and the fact that my friend just needed the dungeon done asap (and I'm the tank, so obviously the game is designed for me to lead the pace of the dungeon), and the fact that he demanded I bow to his whims rather than ask me to, I pulled the first room into the crystal buff.

I dunno if this should qualify for the question... It just sorta popped out at me.

[Adire]

I dunno if this should qualify for the question... It just sorta popped out at me.

I was rebellious against his demands at first, yes. But if you read things I've posted after that, I've said many times that I picked up the mobs that he pulled and that I offered him compromise. That quote is only suitable if you don't read or ignore what I said after it.

The only "rebellion" here was that I was initially irked at his demands and refused to bow to his demands immediately without talking to him first, and took a moment to try to figure out what to say. What I said after we got to the nearby crystal buff was the compromise question.

And when he pulled the mobs, I still helped him out and got him his experience.

That quote you mentioned would be for great for proving me to be unreasonable and intending only to do things my way if you neglected these facts that are present in posts after it. I can quote these posts if needed.

Quoting only part of what I've said is much like when politicians do it to each other: It fools the voters who don't know any better and takes things out of context.

[Seiryuukishi]

Besides my overwhelming surprise that this charade has continued on as long as it has it occurs to me that no one has stated the obvious yet, so without further ado...

Let's break it down from what little we know. For the sake of argument we'll call them "facts" to ease the more sensitive of emotional state. Dzemael Darkhold starts. OP (tank) and buddy (dps) are there as a pair. Dps in question is there with his buddy (healer). Comment "No Skipping Anything" is made and regardless of its context (general, asking without proper usage, or demand. It's left to interpretation) sets the stage for, IMO, a gross display of human affairs. OP ignores comment and proceeds by his/her own admission. Mobs are pulled, dps in question doesn't like being ignored and pulls extra. Initial + extras are killed and then the "talks" begin. "Compromise" is offered and summarily declined/rejected (interpretation, once again).

"Threats" (I still get a chuckle out of that one) are made if "demands" are not met and after whatever amount of time elapses, "talks" have eroded to the point of non-existance and dps in question and healer buddy leave. (I reckon that about covers the key points of the situation presented to us).

Problem number one: Assumption. I shouldn't have to say this but the rule of thumb with assuming is that'll make an a$$ out of u and me. You cannot base tone/context off of incomplete speech. Some people don't/can't be bothered with proper or as best as you can get English. Some barely know it at all.

Problem number two: No confirmation/communication. Even had it been a "demand" there was no way for you to know it was such without further investigation. You cannot use later events to justify the assumption because your having ignored the player probably annoyed the piss out of him/her.

Problem number three: Attitudes going into talks. If it wasn't apparent by the time the enemies were dead anything that had to be said was pretty much dead on the floor. You asked the bard to AOE but in his/her mind he asked for full clear. So in his/her mind why should s/he do as you ask if you weren't going to do the same? Ah, but the compromise made... that's the kicker. You call the comment he made at the beginning a "demand" but by this time the air was so thick with tension any compromise would have been seen as the same to the player. Roughly like this: "AOE or no full clear." is essentially how it worked out in his/her head. So s/he responded in like manner (they believed) with the so called "threats".

Problem number four: Blatant disrespect for one another. This is the one that is going to be denied until judgment day. By the time all else had transpired, lets face it, neither of you were going to shake hands on anything.

DISRESPECT is what brought this madness to its anticlimactic end. Why? Because humans can't seem to humble themselves long enough to think logically anymore. Neither of you stopped before it got out of hand to try and resolve it, no use in denying it. BOTH of you were dead wrong. Not just him a whole lot and you a little bit or vice versa. BOTH. You two couldn't be bothered to show the slightest hint of mutual human respect towards one another and communicate about it until it was so far gone that Ghandi couldn't fix it for you. Maybe he did "demand" it of you. So what? All you had to do is type out "If you ask me nicely I'll do it.", but you had to be the "rebel" and it cost you. You couldn't be the bigger man/woman and take the high road. You wanted to show your a$$.

That garnered the response you got in like kind. S/he could've taken the time to type longer and if English wasn't the native language it should've been made known. Given the fact that most assume everyone knows what they're doing the groups tend to run off the moment the barrier falls. But even then it could have been typed out in the loading screen. Neither of you are innocent, at all. It's just another classic case of egotism at play.