Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Is anyone getting bored yet?

[Marianno]

I agree with OP to a certain degree. Lately, I've become huge fan of inspecting the tanks gear. Especially when I cue as BLM most tanks that I get in a dungeon with pull 5-6 mobs and even more than that and expect BLM to aoe so I naturally follow suit. Lately, I've been getting vote dismissed by a lot of lower ilevel tanks who get upset because I refuse to AOE and no amount of quelling strikes I use will keep the hate off of me even if I decided to level archer to required level to get that ability if I outgear you. More to the point, I do agree that as DPS we should know when and when not to AOE. However, sometimes, tanks should at least be mindful if a dps chooses or chooses not to AOE. Some DPS are lacking in the manpower needed for successful AOE rotations. In short, just take the time to ask people how to proceed through the dungeon before doing it. It usually works better that way in a long run.

[BubblyBoar]

I agree with OP to a certain degree. Lately, I've become huge fan of inspecting the tanks gear. Especially when I cue as BLM most tanks that I get in a dungeon with pull 5-6 mobs and even more than that and expect BLM to aoe so I naturally follow suit. Lately, I've been getting vote dismissed by a lot of lower ilevel tanks who get upset because I refuse to AOE and no amount of quelling strikes I use will keep the hate off of me even if I decided to level archer to required level to get that ability if I outgear you. More to the point, I do agree that as DPS we should know when and when not to AOE. However, sometimes, tanks should at least be mindful if a dps chooses or chooses not to AOE. Some DPS are lacking in the manpower needed for successful AOE rotations. In short, just take the time to ask people how to proceed through the dungeon before doing it. It usually works better that way in a long run.

When I find that my AoE is just too much for a tank, even with quelling, I do it for a few pulls anyway. Once they see that they just can't keep up, I switch over to a single target rotation and it's usually not a problem.

[Adire]

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Yes, if a dps is taking aggro from a tank, they should not keep AoEing. DD had me synced down, but with Shield Oath and flash spam and decent gear, any PLD doing that shouldn't have much trouble holding aggro, especially against a BRD (as the dps I mentioned was).

I would have been fine with proceeding even if he chose not to AoE had he acted like a decent person towards me or apologized for his initial attitude. He really had no reason to avoid AoEing given that I could have held aggro easily though, and given that more than enough mobs had been pulled to warrant him AoEing, but if treated with some respect, I still would have done as he wished. If I'm not mistaken, BRD is actually the second most powerful AoE class not counting WHM as well. Quick Nock has a decent potency even on its own vs 9 mobs.

[Intaki]

They didn't ask. They demanded. There is an immense difference. If you have the same reaction to someone who demands of you vs one that asks of you, good on you, but I don't and for good reason.

"no skipping anything" is not necessarily a demand. It can be interpreted as one, but that depends entirely upon an assumption of tone. It's not coded politely, sure, but it's a largely tone-neutral statement.

You acted like a child perceiving a slight, so don't get mad when people treat like a child for throwing a tantrum and escalating the situation.

[GenJoe]

"no skipping anything" is not necessarily a demand. It can be interpreted as one, but that depends entirely upon an assumption of tone. It's not coded politely, sure, but it's a largely tone-neutral statement.

You acted like a child perceiving a slight, so don't get mad when people treat like a child for throwing a tantrum and escalating the situation.

I for one, am glad that we're past the days of Diablo II where trading meant shoving an item in people's faces and saying
"need?"
"how much?"
"xx SOJ"

Nuances are very important in personal interaction, I don't blame OP one bit for taking offense to an uncouth oaf unable to articulate speech beyond that of what a 2 year old can.. Only case I make exception for that is when I can obviously tell the person simply is not an English speaker, then I don't mind.. But if you speak the language, there's no excuse to speak like a caveman (a typical portrayal of.. anyway).

I do not understand why people insist on insulting my character by using my OP when I did not insult anyone's character in particular.

Well, truth be told, you did just lump up a large portion of the player base into one group
Even with the Entitled qualifier there, I guess it hits home pretty hard to some and divides up the people into groups (DPS/Healer/Tank)
In either case, some people will be bitter over anything and everything just because they can. Myself included sometimes.

[Mugiawara]

Well, as a tank you're intended to determine what should be pulled and when it is pulled, no?

The game is sort of designed that way O.o. it's the tank's job.

I feel like people are missing about how healers feel in this.
If you die because you pulled an overwhelmingly huge amount of mobs as a healer, then no one get mad at me over it.
What needs to happen is the tanks need to ask the HEALER'S on how big and small they should pull.
Or; if the healer nicely asks for small pulls or so because they're under geared or whatever reason, you either suck it up
or eat the 30. Not everyone can go at a tanks pace because they assume the healer can get on their level yet.
Some tanks are butt's. They really are and are not mindful, DPS's are too. Because once I did Bray, I said I couldn't do big pulls yet...I struggled.
I asked for smaller pulls then the DPS said "No just do big ones." and one time I got told I sucked as a healer because he pulled such a large amount of mobs
I literally used lustrate 6 times and SC heal and E4E still died...so...there's that.

[Adire]

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Another fine example of the forums being welcoming.

Few people (perhaps no one?) has attempted to claim that that is a question rather than a demand. "no skipping anything" is a demand. Following suit by immediately pulling mobs upon suspicion that I was not going listen to the demand reinforces the fact that it was intended to be used in a demanding manner, as does the response to my request that the DPS AoE.

My post was not a tantrum, so much as a story that I wanted to share with people, and a request that people do not behave in the way that this person did towards people they want a favor from. I do not understand why people insist on insulting my character by using my OP when I did not insult anyone's character in particular.

I suppose people will see what they want to see though, right? Asking people to treat others with a little respect is asking too much I suppose. The responses here attest to that. Respond to a story and very general request by insulting my character, amongst other things.

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I think you're getting the wrong idea about me/my post. I never, ever, ever pull more than I think the healer can handle. If I die because it's more than the healer can handle, I do not fuss. I take the blame willingly and admit I made an idiot choice. I suppose I should have clarified that in that post, though I did not have the benefit of hindsight at the time. I always take the healer into account when I pull. I was just saying with that post that is the tank who actually is supposed to DO the act of pulling. Therefore, it's my belief that the act of pulling is most within the realm of the tank's job. If the tank dies because they pull too much or make the healer uncomfortable, then it's their fault as well in that situation. But it's still the job of the tank to pull, and at the same time the job of the tank to take the blame if they pull too much. The tank doesn't have to listen to the healer when they pull, but they'll end up dead or stressing them out beyond necessary. Consequences and whatnot.

This situation was unique as well in that DD offers a way to easily do larger pulls without taking a considerable amount of damage.

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Yeah, I do not stand by my title of my thread at this point and would love to change it if I could. I had assumed people would understand my context that this situation is why I posted and why I referred to DPS specifically, I didn't think everyone would think I had a vendetta against DPS and believe in tanks being the literal master race, and I apologize for that. Hard to understand context online sometimes.

I have since edited my OP to be more generalizing of roles though. People who read the OP should know that the title no longer reflects the post. If they read the title and jump on the "the op sucks and hates dps" bandwagon without bothering to read and attempt understand the OP at this point though, that's their own fault for choosing to be ignorant. Because I've said time and time again that tanks don't get exclusion from having to be decent people.

[Intaki]

I suppose people will see what they want to see though, right?

You certainly did.

[Adire]

You certainly did.

Please elaborate?