Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Adire]

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I'd like to apologize for the tanks who did that to you. I actually had a few similar experiences when I first started playing (I started as a dps) myself, so I know the feeling, and tanks who do that still frustrate me. You can even look at my post history and you'll see that I made a thread a while back where I really gave hell to a group who kicked a newbie out of Praetorium because he got lost for a moment. I absolutely cannot stand when people do things like that to new people. I know I was tempted to give up and quit the game after the bad experiences as a new person. I'm sure the thought has crossed the minds of other new people as well.

I am not naive enough to believe that the way we are treated by the community does not have an effect on our attitudes towards it in general. Going in with a bad attitude towards people as individuals from the beginning is not the answer though, this situation was a prime example of that.

Silent skepticism on his part would have been preferable to immediately being verbally abusive and abusive gameplaywise towards me though. Asking nicely for what he wanted would have been even better, he would have found me very agreeable. As humans, we have the ability of self control. We also have a tendency to react badly to a lack of respect. Losing your self control towards an individual before even being shown any disrespect by that individual is inexcusable behavior.

I know I am skeptical but civil with people in each dungeon I'm in at first. I let them have time to give me either a good impression or a bad impression before I make the call on how they are going to act though, and even if they are going to act like children, I still try to be civil (as I did here by offering them a reasonable compromise and refusing to make demands of them or coerce them with griefing tactics even though they continued to demand of me and grief me). The DPS in this situation barely gave the cut scene/loading screen time to end before he made his intent known, however.

[Zohnax]

Self-entitled tanks stop being self-entitled in Duty Finder. Just as you would easily let them die for pulling extra mobs that you want to skip because you feel like being a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk, they could've just let you die with those nine mobs you pulled. If you want to dictate the rules for a dungeon, make a Party Finder group. Otherwise, stop being rude along with your sad attempt at trying to find justification for your hypocrisy on here.

[GenJoe]

Self-entitled tanks stop being self-entitled in Duty Finder. Just as you would easily let them die for pulling extra mobs that you want to skip because you feel like being a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk, they could've just let you die with those nine mobs you pulled. If you want to dictate the rules for a dungeon, make a Party Finder group. Otherwise, stop being rude along with your sad attempt at trying to find justification for your hypocrisy on here.

There's no hypocrisy, if you wanna eat a 30 minute penalty, by all means.. I'd eat one too we'll see where that gets us :P

[Adire]

Self-entitled tanks stop being self-entitled in Duty Finder. Just as you would easily let them die for pulling extra mobs that you want to skip because you feel like being a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk, they could've just let you die with those nine mobs you pulled. If you want to dictate the rules for a dungeon, make a Party Finder group. Otherwise, stop being rude along with your sad attempt at trying to find justification for your hypocrisy on here.

You didn't read anything I said or only picked out what you wanted to acknowledge. Time to repeat myself again.

I pulled 6 mobs, he pulled some more.

I helped kill the mobs he pulled.

I asked him to AoE as a compromise since me and my friend were not there to do a full clear, but were willing to and were hoping he would AoE so we wouldn't have to do a full clear AND sit through an agonizingly slow dungeon.

He said no in an aggressive, rude manner yet again, and proceeded to grief us and continue to demand that we bow to his every whim, refusing any sort of compromise, demanding that we kill all mobs with no AoE AND pull all mobs or we would be allowed to die.

I've said I'm willing to do clears if treated with respect. I've said that I do clears if outnumbered. How many more times am I going to have to say this before people stop calling me a hypocrite?

There is no hypocrisy here friend. Read a bit more, and you'd know!

It pains me that the immediately aggressive, uncompromising person in this situation is being defended and the things I did right are being conveniently left out of posts.

An entitled person would not compromise. An entitled person would not agree to put the majority above themselves. I have said many times that I do both, and would have given him what he wanted if he treated me with some semblance of respect or agreed to the small compromise.

If I'm entitled and wrong because I want to be treated with respect, then I guess I'll just be entitled and wrong. Last I checked, the desire to be treated like a human and the willingness to forgive and compromise do not make someone entitled.

[Twilite]

Let me help you out here. You pulled 6 mobs in your preferred path. He pulled the mobs you intended to skip. He's wrong for doing this because it could potentially cause a wipe. Come to Lamia, I'll be your DPS any time lol. Or maybe someday we'll meet in df heh.

As a dps myself though, I don't like skipping mobs either, or moreso, skipping chests; that's an opportunity on missed gear. But it's really nothing to have a fit over.

[Ashkendor]

Read a bit more, and you'd know!

Remember, this is the internet. Respond first, read la- ...nah, too lazy to read it, gg noobs. :3

[StrejdaTom]

I am kinda becoming tired of these butthurt threads. It really doesn't matter if the person is tank, dps or healer, if he is a deuche, he will act like one so please stop puting everyone in the same bag already because that is even worse than the behaviour you are descripting in your post.

[Adire]

Let me help you out here. You pulled 6 mobs in your preferred path. He pulled the mobs you intended to skip. He's wrong for doing this because it could potentially cause a wipe. Come to Lamia, I'll be your DPS any time lol. Or maybe someday we'll meet in df heh.

Well, as I said, I would have gladly gone back to get the mobs for him if he had changed his attitude or agreed to the compromise, and would have gathered them up myself in the beginning if he had asked me to instead of demanding it. But yes, he took doing the tank's job upon himself and went and rounded them up on his own.

Thanks for not being an obnoxious dps though! I'd gladly do a clear for you any day :P. If you ever find yourself on Balmung, add me if you want! If I ever go to Lamia, I'll look for you too. Always happy to make more friends and meet cool people.

Remember, this is the internet. Respond first, read la- ...nah, too lazy to read it, gg noobs. :3

Seems so I'm too optimistic to hope for otherwise I guess.

I am kinda becoming tired of these butthurt threads. It really doesn't matter if the person is tank, dps or healer, if he is a deuche, he will act like one so please stop puting everyone in the same bag already because that is even worse than the behaviour you are descripting in your post.

I realize the title of my thread gives a bad impression. Anyone who reads the entire OP and understands the context should understand that I do not condone the behavior from any role though. Part of my post applies to DPS because it is not their role to pull or use their role rights to dictate pulls (though they have say with their personal rights, hence why I've said I let the majority rule even if I'm a tank, but why at the same time it's widely considered wrong for DPS to pull themselves), and the part of it after the disclaimer applies to even tanks.

The title was directed at DPS for 3 reasons:
1. The situation that occurred involved a DPS, which is the basis for most of my post.

2. In this situation, there was a tie between interests about the issue of mob pulling. In this situation, the DPS ran off to pull mobs. That is not accepted behavior by the community and is not intended behavior by SE, and as such is entitled behavior if it is done in a similar situation. A tank pulling is not, because that is in the realm of their role. In a tie, they are not doing anything wrong by pulling; that's their job after all. A dps pulling what they want in a tie is wrong though. My OP is in part reminding other DPS of that fact. Please refer to the next point though:

3. I was still a bit frustrated when I made the thread. I'd change the title to be more general and apply to healers (and tanks for certain parts of my post) as well, but as far as I'm aware, there is no title editing function.

[HakuroDK]

I've seen this kind of rude behavior from a ton of people, not just DPS.

In my experience, healers are probably some of the most rude individuals in the game. But that's my experience.

I think, by targeting DPS specifically, you set off a flame war.

[XgungraveX]

Self-entitled tanks stop being self-entitled in Duty Finder. Just as you would easily let them die for pulling extra mobs that you want to skip because you feel like being a jerk just for the sake of being a jerk, they could've just let you die with those nine mobs you pulled. If you want to dictate the rules for a dungeon, make a Party Finder group. Otherwise, stop being rude along with your sad attempt at trying to find justification for your hypocrisy on here.

entitled to what? the dps was toxic from the get go i dont blame the op from what they did.