Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Tuathaa]

Just maybe it'll teach them NOT TO BE THE TANK. DPS have no business deliberately pulling mobs and shouldn't be. Stop giving those that do a free ride.

And tanks have no business skipping parts of the dungeon.
The entitlement that the op has is one of the biggest reasons tanks get treated like trash in df's. Sure it is his job to pull mobs but it isnt his job to skip parts of a dungeon because he doesnt want to do them. If he didnt have time to do a full clear he shouldnt have q'ed or should have said so from the start and given people the option. Instead he gets his feelings hurt when a dps is tired of being shat on by df tanks and spoke up.

[LaylaTsarra]

And tanks have no business skipping parts of the dungeon..

My experience with DPS or others who pull these antics are those who want to speed run a dungeon and don't want to wait on the tank. On the other hand if someone wants to use Aurum Vale as a way to level their role there is certainly no obligation on the part of the tank or the party to have to do so by doing a full clear of all mobs in a zone. Or if I'm running Satasha Baby for a book I certainly don't need to run into all the optional rooms to do my job. To say they are skipping parts of the dungeon is a bit much.

If someone asks politely I think most would cater to their wishes IF they have the time.

[Kikoten]

This thread is an emotional roller coaster. I'm still new to tanking, but what I'm getting from this whole thread is that tanks are supposedly a "customer service" role to the rest of the group, just like healers. I feel pretty powerful as a tank, and sometimes denying service feels pretty darn good.

I've always hated the leader aspect of tanking. I don't think I'm a great leader, and the responsibility of making decisions that affect the group makes me balk a little. Despite that, I love the thought of being an axe-wielding berserker.

How do you deal with trolls as a tank? I know how to deal with them as a healer (hehehe).

[XgungraveX]

This thread is an emotional roller coaster. I'm still new to tanking, but what I'm getting from this whole thread is that tanks are supposedly a "customer service" role to the rest of the group, just like healers. I feel pretty powerful as a tank, and sometimes denying service feels pretty darn good.

I've always hated the leader aspect of tanking. I don't think I'm a great leader, and the responsibility of making decisions that affect the group makes me balk a little. Despite that, I love the thought of being an axe-wielding berserker.

How do you deal with trolls as a tank? I know how to deal with them as a healer (hehehe).

just like dps if they want pull everything in the room without asking if the group ok with it simply not attack at all you wont get aggro,tank dies ,mob resets

[Adire]

just like dps if they want pull everything in the room without asking if the group ok with it simply not attack at all you wont get aggro,tank dies ,mob resets

Unfortunately, if the healer decides to heal the DPS, they will get aggro as well. Some dps know this and still get their way by trying to force the the tank to save the healer, and I typically do.

The other dps can just simply not attack though, as you said. The tank's only option is to let the healer die in order to prove that point, which really doesn't sit well with me personally.

[XgungraveX]

Unfortunately, if the healer decides to heal the DPS, they will get aggro as well. Some dps know this and still get their way by trying to force the the tank to save the healer, and I typically do.

The other dps can just simply not attack though, as you said. The tank's only option is to let the healer die in order to prove that point, which really doesn't sit well with me personally.

oh i competently agree with OP on the first page i was just saying if the roles were reversed, its amazing that people are defending the dps in this thread even when HE let his intentions right were right off the bat.

[Adire]

oh i competently agree with OP on the first page i was just saying if the roles were reversed, its amazing that people are defending the dps in this thread even when HE let his intentions right were right off the bat.

Yeah I know. You've been considerate of my feelings throughout this thread, and I really appreciate that!

I was just making a general statement to explain to anyone who happens to read that tanks have the least control over that situation without doing something immoral. DPS can just not attack mobs, healers can just not heal, but tanks have to rely on healers to not heal a dps who is pulling and being disruptive. It's pretty clear you know this already, my quote of you was just to add on to what you said for people who may not know already.

But yeah, it is amazing, and sad :/. Why some people are backing up and trying to explain and justify the immediate disrespect he showed still continues to confuse me.