Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[cgbspender]

Problem is easily solved. Let the dps pull like they want to, let the healers spam Earth II, and let the tank heal. (remove your crystal, you'll be able to cross-class Cure! and raises !)

Sounds fun, right ?

[blindtaleteller]

If the guy had asked I could totally understand a lot of the 'debate' going on from solely DPS players.. but here's the thing. No tank has to stay in a que with you. It's their choice to slap on their tank class and que up, AND stay in that group. Whether you treat them like another player with needs on time, XP, or anything else or a mule that will kick you out or ditch que to find DPS with a better attitude and understanding that they're sitting in que waiting for another tank without them for that matter is up to them. Treat your group with respect (everyone involved) and awareness rather than treating them like a kleenex and you're more likely to get through the instance with fewer hitches. Lastly.. dude, you will do that instance again. And again, and again and again. Especially if you're doing random dailies, unlocking content, or just gearing for the next tier.

[blindtaleteller]

(cont)
So no matter what role you're in? Chill the flip out and accept if you want that tank or healer to KEEP his tank/heals gear on and stay in your que so you can get it done rather than have to reque for another half hour wait? It's probably a good idea to not screw with the rest of your group by overstepping your role boundaries too much or trying to force ANYONE to do anything they don't want or have to do for you as if they're your pack mule. Tanks aren't there FOR YOU TO QUE or do what YOU want as players themselves, and treating them like they are is probably why high end, good tanks are getting harder and harder to find.. because seriously. Who the feck wants to deal with that BS, AND WHM and BM aggro every if not every other que?

XD

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Is anyone getting bored yet?

[Marianno]

I agree with OP to a certain degree. Lately, I've become huge fan of inspecting the tanks gear. Especially when I cue as BLM most tanks that I get in a dungeon with pull 5-6 mobs and even more than that and expect BLM to aoe so I naturally follow suit. Lately, I've been getting vote dismissed by a lot of lower ilevel tanks who get upset because I refuse to AOE and no amount of quelling strikes I use will keep the hate off of me even if I decided to level archer to required level to get that ability if I outgear you. More to the point, I do agree that as DPS we should know when and when not to AOE. However, sometimes, tanks should at least be mindful if a dps chooses or chooses not to AOE. Some DPS are lacking in the manpower needed for successful AOE rotations. In short, just take the time to ask people how to proceed through the dungeon before doing it. It usually works better that way in a long run.

[BubblyBoar]

I agree with OP to a certain degree. Lately, I've become huge fan of inspecting the tanks gear. Especially when I cue as BLM most tanks that I get in a dungeon with pull 5-6 mobs and even more than that and expect BLM to aoe so I naturally follow suit. Lately, I've been getting vote dismissed by a lot of lower ilevel tanks who get upset because I refuse to AOE and no amount of quelling strikes I use will keep the hate off of me even if I decided to level archer to required level to get that ability if I outgear you. More to the point, I do agree that as DPS we should know when and when not to AOE. However, sometimes, tanks should at least be mindful if a dps chooses or chooses not to AOE. Some DPS are lacking in the manpower needed for successful AOE rotations. In short, just take the time to ask people how to proceed through the dungeon before doing it. It usually works better that way in a long run.

When I find that my AoE is just too much for a tank, even with quelling, I do it for a few pulls anyway. Once they see that they just can't keep up, I switch over to a single target rotation and it's usually not a problem.

[Adire]

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Yes, if a dps is taking aggro from a tank, they should not keep AoEing. DD had me synced down, but with Shield Oath and flash spam and decent gear, any PLD doing that shouldn't have much trouble holding aggro, especially against a BRD (as the dps I mentioned was).

I would have been fine with proceeding even if he chose not to AoE had he acted like a decent person towards me or apologized for his initial attitude. He really had no reason to avoid AoEing given that I could have held aggro easily though, and given that more than enough mobs had been pulled to warrant him AoEing, but if treated with some respect, I still would have done as he wished. If I'm not mistaken, BRD is actually the second most powerful AoE class not counting WHM as well. Quick Nock has a decent potency even on its own vs 9 mobs.

[Mugiawara]

Thank you for clarifying and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

What can be learned here from this hell-spiraled topic is...and what is one of the biggest problems in this game is:
Communication.
Now, reading OP's post, she says that the DPS said "Don't skip anything." Okay if I was a tank I'd ignore him or kick him because his attitude only got worse.
People need to learn to be nice. I can't tolerate people being mean to me and crap in dungeons.
You don't tell me to do anything unless you ask me politely.
"Can we please do a full run please? ^^" If I get a damn smiley I'll do it. It's all on how you approach people. I don't see why people are fighting with the OP.
If a tank doesn't wanna do full clear...Oh well? I mean I guess you either deal with it or leave. Go level a tank then. We all follow the beat of your drum most of the time. In the matter of full run or exp run. No real choice lol.
The only thing I see is that, it's not that huge of a deal and you should of just forgot about it. You can see that releasing your feelings
here on the main forums will get you sent to the stake real quick or you'll become victim to the Logic Fallacy of AD Hominem.

TL;DR: The DPS in this situation was an a**butt, he didn't get his way, started to pull mobs like a baby, OP try to go along, still went to be a baby and then hell happened.
It's DF you get bads and hard-heads everywhere. I just wanted to join the topic since everyone was talking about it.
Bye! Lol.

[Adire]

No need to apologize Mugiawara that post was one of the easier ones to misunderstand, even if read thoroughly and thought deeply about.

I find it refreshing that you posted with civility even though you didn't like the post as you had understood it, so thank you for that and for being understanding. So many have resorted to personal jabs immediately :/

Glad we agree, no one should have to tolerate being demanded of or being treated like an object.

Edit: And yeah, I should really stop posting about these situations on the forums. There are some very ready to pounce people here.

[otarolgam]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Hold on there, Tanking Friend.

I understand that the Tank in a run has the choice in the matter of what to pull and what not, this much is true as you stated.

However, we gotta stop and look at the actions taken.

Yes, just outright saying "no skipping anything" is rude and demanding.

-Walks up to her and pokes her right in the middle of the breastplate- But what was done about it?

-Takes out her sword and shield and throws it to the ground- The comment was dropped like a bass beat, or much like my weapons here, and the whole run was now in jeopardy because egos got in the way.

If the DPS had been asked, hell... even in a sarcastic way, to just add in a please or to reword their request, I'm sure things would have been straightened out.

But the fact that their request was flat out ignored and that egos got in the way...

It's obvious where the blame should mostly go.