Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[MirielleLavandre]

As a PLD Main, if a DPS pulls and I don't know them or anything; 9 times of of 10 I let them die. Healers, 8 times out of 10 lol. As a WHM, I won't heal the DPS who pulled until the mobs are dead that they pulled.

This is just a prime example of how to be a bad tank. I used to main PLD, and by not doing your job if a dps or healer makes a mistake and pulls, and letting them die is childish and will just make the run longer. Also, this reeks of tank entitlement. Tanks are not the only ones with the 'power' of life and death in a dungeon. I'd actually wager healers are truly the ones who can 'play god' the most if they wanted to. If a tank goes down, on anything not a boss, chances are WHM and the dps can just as easily defeat the trash. In the lower dungeons you don't even need a tank at all (and some of the HM dungeons, as well - as shown by the 4 WHM runs people, myself included, often do).

Tanks and healers and dps all need to cooperate // even when people make mistakes I still heal them since that is my purpose as a WHM. If they're rude and doing it on purpose I vote kick or abandon. However, I don't let one person's inability to do their job or work as a team affect my own ability to do so -- why lower myself or try to teach a lesson they will most likely never learn?

[LaylaTsarra]

This is just a prime example of how to be a bad tank.

Just maybe it'll teach them NOT TO BE THE TANK. DPS have no business deliberately pulling mobs and shouldn't be. Stop giving those that do a free ride.

[Tuathaa]

Just maybe it'll teach them NOT TO BE THE TANK. DPS have no business deliberately pulling mobs and shouldn't be. Stop giving those that do a free ride.

And tanks have no business skipping parts of the dungeon.
The entitlement that the op has is one of the biggest reasons tanks get treated like trash in df's. Sure it is his job to pull mobs but it isnt his job to skip parts of a dungeon because he doesnt want to do them. If he didnt have time to do a full clear he shouldnt have q'ed or should have said so from the start and given people the option. Instead he gets his feelings hurt when a dps is tired of being shat on by df tanks and spoke up.

[LaylaTsarra]

And tanks have no business skipping parts of the dungeon..

My experience with DPS or others who pull these antics are those who want to speed run a dungeon and don't want to wait on the tank. On the other hand if someone wants to use Aurum Vale as a way to level their role there is certainly no obligation on the part of the tank or the party to have to do so by doing a full clear of all mobs in a zone. Or if I'm running Satasha Baby for a book I certainly don't need to run into all the optional rooms to do my job. To say they are skipping parts of the dungeon is a bit much.

If someone asks politely I think most would cater to their wishes IF they have the time.

[Kikoten]

This thread is an emotional roller coaster. I'm still new to tanking, but what I'm getting from this whole thread is that tanks are supposedly a "customer service" role to the rest of the group, just like healers. I feel pretty powerful as a tank, and sometimes denying service feels pretty darn good.

I've always hated the leader aspect of tanking. I don't think I'm a great leader, and the responsibility of making decisions that affect the group makes me balk a little. Despite that, I love the thought of being an axe-wielding berserker.

How do you deal with trolls as a tank? I know how to deal with them as a healer (hehehe).

[XgungraveX]

This thread is an emotional roller coaster. I'm still new to tanking, but what I'm getting from this whole thread is that tanks are supposedly a "customer service" role to the rest of the group, just like healers. I feel pretty powerful as a tank, and sometimes denying service feels pretty darn good.

I've always hated the leader aspect of tanking. I don't think I'm a great leader, and the responsibility of making decisions that affect the group makes me balk a little. Despite that, I love the thought of being an axe-wielding berserker.

How do you deal with trolls as a tank? I know how to deal with them as a healer (hehehe).

just like dps if they want pull everything in the room without asking if the group ok with it simply not attack at all you wont get aggro,tank dies ,mob resets

[Adire]

just like dps if they want pull everything in the room without asking if the group ok with it simply not attack at all you wont get aggro,tank dies ,mob resets

Unfortunately, if the healer decides to heal the DPS, they will get aggro as well. Some dps know this and still get their way by trying to force the the tank to save the healer, and I typically do.

The other dps can just simply not attack though, as you said. The tank's only option is to let the healer die in order to prove that point, which really doesn't sit well with me personally.

[XgungraveX]

Unfortunately, if the healer decides to heal the DPS, they will get aggro as well. Some dps know this and still get their way by trying to force the the tank to save the healer, and I typically do.

The other dps can just simply not attack though, as you said. The tank's only option is to let the healer die in order to prove that point, which really doesn't sit well with me personally.

oh i competently agree with OP on the first page i was just saying if the roles were reversed, its amazing that people are defending the dps in this thread even when HE let his intentions right were right off the bat.

[Arixtotle]

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It doesn't sound like he's talking about mistakes but deliberate pulling. I agree with him if he's talking about deliberate pulling. If you make my job a lot harder than it needs to be on purpose then you can kiss the ground.

As a WHM myself, and a healer in many MMOs, I always heal the ones who make mistakes UNLESS they keep repeating their mistakes and it's negatively effecting my ability to perform my job for the whole party. Usually the way it goes for me is that if you die due to mechanics I'll rez you once, maybe twice depending on circumstances. After that I've wasted enough mana on you and unless you're really needed for the fight to be completed you can stay down.

PS; Tanks sometimes aren't even needed for bosses. In this game and others I've had tanks die and me, the healer, the DPS have taken down the boss.

[MirielleLavandre]

It doesn't sound like he's talking about mistakes but deliberate pulling. .

If he's talking about deliberately pulling, then yes - for those, though, I just vote kick for failure to work as part of the team after one warning . It is faster than letting them die, anyways - and we can usually get a new dps instantly.