Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Intaki]

To every DPS saying we are entitled, demanding, bossy, dictator assholes...Please level a tank, enjoy how shitty a job it is to make sure everything goes right and come back here to tell me we are wrong to dictate the flow.

If not, enjoy those queues.

Healer leveled on this character, tank leveled fully on another.

Tanking is not hard. The first time tanking something ever? Very hard. The fifth time? Mind-numbingly easy.

Tanks may have a high skill floor, but it's a few thousand feet below a damage dealer's skill cap.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

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And yet, if the tank dies, everybody dies. If the DPS dies, you raise them and it's all good. It's not about if it's hard or not, it's about the resposability you have. Also, as a tank, you're the most exposed to people. Since you pretty much gotta run ahead of the group, you'll find a lot of demanding people telling you what to do and judging you: If you pull 2 monsters only, if you pull all of them, it's really noticeable if you don't use cds, the healer will remember that. If you're too slow, if you're too fast. If you grab a group of monsters that one of the DPS didn't like (He'll probably let you know). Also, for example, there's only 3 tanks spot in ST and WoD. So people will wait for YOU. You're 1 out of 3 tanks out of 22 guys trapped in a raid looking at YOU. Waiting for YOU to move. Try to please them all. As a DPS, you'll be mostly un-noticeable.

PD: I play tank (paladin and warrior), healer (scholar) and DPS (dragoon and blackmage).

what y'all need to do is stop telling people what to do in parties. I don't let anybody tell me how to dps, and don't let anybody tell me how to tank. if you have a suggestion, have it come with a "could you............... please" and i will consider it.

You would be surprised how people incredibly manage it to turn every kind suggestion into a direct attack to their egos. It's really hard to give a suggestion in this game for some reason. No matter how kind you are, if you use a smiley at the end of the sentence. Whatever you do, there will be people who will turn back, stare at you and send you to hell. Either that or just ignore you and still do their own.

[Intaki]

And yet, if the tank dies, everybody dies.

Depending on the healer... not really. Outside of the higher levels of content (EX Primals+ basically) a good healer can make any decently geared DPS a tank.

[Ashkendor]

Depending on the healer... not really. Outside of the higher levels of content (EX Primals+ basically) a good healer can make any decently geared DPS a tank.

I'd pay to see a Dragoon tank the first pull of Halatali HM. You know, the pull that's basically everything from the start of the dungeon up to the first boss. I bet he wouldn't even make it halfway before either 1) he died, or 2) the healer ended up tanking instead. DPS don't have the tools to hold aggro on even one mob, much less the big packs most people like to see. Honestly, this thread ceased being even remotely constructive a long time ago. Now it's just a few DPS calling tanks prissy and a few tanks calling DPS disposable and most of the healers facepalming with the rest of us.

[Intaki]

I'd pay to see a Dragoon tank the first pull of Halatali HM. You know, the pull that's basically everything from the start of the dungeon up to the first boss.

I didn't realize every single one of those mobs had to be pulled at the same time.

Yes, tanks are good at tanking. Having a tank as the tank will make running a dungeon easier and faster.

But if you have some whiny, entitled turd demanding everyone bow to their greatness? Just have your mdps or bard pull each group one at a time and go on your merry way.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

But if you have some whiny, entitled turd demanding everyone bow to their greatness? Just have your mdps or bard pull each group one at a time and go on your merry way.

If you think the standar attitude of the tank is the one I quoted, become a tank and be the exception, then. I'm not even kidding. Everybody here complaining about other people's attitude should make the difference. I do think the thing you just mentioned applies to either tanks, healers or DPS. It's not tank exclusive, and even if it's based on your experience, since that's a limited source of information.

[Ashkendor]

I didn't realize every single one of those mobs had to be pulled at the same time.

Me either, but that's what people seem to expect. I don't mind doing that pull at all, but some may not want to.

If a tank were to do that same pull one pack at a time, a lot of people would throw a fit.

But if you have some whiny, entitled turd demanding everyone bow to their greatness? Just have your mdps or bard pull each group one at a time and go on your merry way.

Funny thing, I've honestly run into far more asinine DPS than I have tanks and healers. Maybe it's because of the perceived lack of responsibility in the role. Before anyone gets their panties all in a twist, note that I said perceived lack of responsibility. Those of us that do the raid thing know that DPS isn't necessarily a lazy role, but your average joe in DF thinks all he has to do is flail his weapon randomly at mobs and make them die. Half of them don't even step out of AoE's.

What do you do if your healer holds the group hostage to his whims even if the other three players are in agreement? You could pull and have each of the three remaining members tank a mob, I guess? What if there's a room with more than three mobs? What if there's a boss? Let's face it, if any one member of the group is afk at the beginning of the dungeon pouting because they didn't get their way, progress is greatly impeded no matter what their role may be.

If the tank you get is that bad just kick them. Most of us don't care anyway. We have instant queues. The same goes for healers. If you can't get along with them, just kick them. Kick a DPS on the other hand, and depending on the instance you're in you cost them anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour of their time. Possibly even more during off-peak hours or on less populated data centers. I honestly think that part of the "tanks are divas" stereotype comes from DPS players that envy their queue times. Of all the times I've queued as DPS or healer in dungeons (or partied with them, in the case of games with no Duty Finder queue), I have only run into a handful of tanks that fit the "diva" stereotype.

[Intaki]

If the tank you get is that bad just kick them. Most of us don't care anyway. We have instant queues. The same goes for healers. If you can't get along with them, just kick them. Kick a DPS on the other hand, and depending on the instance you're in you cost them anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour of their time. Possibly even more during off-peak hours or on less populated data centers. I honestly think that part of the "tanks are divas" stereotype comes from DPS players that envy their queue times. Of all the times I've queued as DPS or healer in dungeons (or partied with them, in the case of games with no Duty Finder queue), I have only run into a handful of tanks that fit the "diva" stereotype.

One of the most fun runs I ever had was with a prissy primadonna tank. He got into an inane rant after some other player made some innocuous comment that managed to offend him. He refused to tank, so I decided to tank. At first he afked and just lobbed insults. Then he started demanding to be kicked. Then he logged off for a couple minutes, logged back in, and all but screamed at us to kick him in caps. About ten minutes before we completed our 3-man clear of Haukke, he finally left on his own.

It was pretty great, everyone had fun, and I highly recommend the method to anyone looking for a laugh in DF.

But your post does highlight the importance of penalties for being kicked, so good on you! I'm thinking, sixty minute penalty? Sounds like a fair result for managing to piss off a whole party.

[LunaHoshino]

Depending on the healer... not really. Outside of the higher levels of content (EX Primals+ basically) a good healer can make any decently geared DPS a tank.

Yep. I have a pretty good-sized list of things I've tanked as a DRG because my FC likes to do fun runs. So far I've successfully tanked Tam-Tara NM, Haukke NM, Brayflox NM, story Ifrit, story Titan, Ifrit HM and Titan HM. The only one that was even a slight challenge was Brayflox, because Aiatar hits like a truck. Once we got the hang of it, though, my second run tanking it was much smoother.

Heck, we once did a 1 tank 3 DPS Sastasha run with someone cross-classing Cure. As long as the DPS are geared, it's not difficult.