Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Skivvy]

I'm not responding to you again. I moved the quotes from my OP to this page to reduce the clutter in my OP, if you had taken a moment to read that or at least notice that they were gone from my OP, you would have seen that. But alas, people post as if they've read even when they haven't, and I find myself repeating myself yet again to the willfully ignorant.

Anyways, before I even had time to say anything at all, I was ordered by him to not skip anything. Not asked, ordered. This is abusive and insulting, as I am not his slave to order around. I did not do a "gigantic pull", I pulled as I always do in DD. I pulled the first set of 3 mobs into the crystal buff with the other 3 mobs, then he ran off and pulled a few other mobs and brought them to me. I then asked him to AoE, he refused in a rude manner and basically told us to shut up and do what he wanted.

If you've done DD, you should know that the crystal buff makes even this many mobs hit like babies. There were 9 or so mobs total in the buff, that is not a lot of damage at all. Go try it if you don't believe me! Even pulling the entire first half of the dungeon into the crystal buffs is manageable damage with decent gear.


And as much as I'd like to give you pictures, I have logged out since then. If you know of a way to get chat logs, please inform me. I have nothing to hide. You don't have to believe me, but assuming I'm lying without any reason to assume that is not any better. If you find any inconsistencies in my story, please do post about it. The above perceived inconsistency stemmed from you not reading and missing things I said, and I have addressed this false inconsistency once again above. That is your problem, not mine. I've repeated everything I said there multiple times throughout the thread.

Given how quick you are to judge my character without even knowing me and how quick you are to jump on everything I say, assuming the worst each time, and responding to general statements I make by taking jabs at my person, I'm starting to think nothing will please you though. If I had pics, at this point I'd have suspicions that you'd accuse me of doctoring them.

It's amusing how many times you've blamed someone for not listening, but I don't think you even know what you're writing anymore. As of the time of this post, the message I quoted in my previous post did not state anywhere that you were consolidating messages to get them off the main page, merely:

And to address the last few posts:

I'm sorry that I'm not going back through your entire post history to double-check for any random edits.

If you don't have a reasonable answer for someone, you claim that they aren't reading or that they are judging your character without even knowing you. Hate to break it to you, you aired your dirty laundry on a public forum, you gave us the right to judge you based on the story and ever-changing details that you've provided.

Feel free to reply if you like, and by all means, blame me again for not reading (lucky time #3!), but I'm done with this thread. It's clear you're not willing to have a reasonable conversation as you brush off any dissenting voices as a personal attack on you. After seeing that play out in this thread several times, I truly am curious what actually happened in that dungeon.

[Adire]

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My point is, when the problem at hand is that there is a tie about the issue of mob pulling

It seems you missed this bit of my quote, the bit that adds the entire context to my sentence at that. I was referring to when there is a TIE, the tank has the most weight. Someone has to be the tiebreaker, why not let the person whose job is to pull be the rightful tiebreaker if no one else can come to any agreement? The community already lets tanks pull by default and disapproves of when dps/healers do it, so the insinuation is there that they already have the most weight for determining when/how pulls happen.

I'm glad we agree that being demanded to do something is very wrong though. If he had asked me nicely, I would have done the clear for him. Same for if he would have agreed to AoE.

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Edit: Please go to this post if you want to see the posts I addressed in my OP originally (moved it there to reduce the clutter in the OP):

Yep, you aren't reading. That's right there in my OP. I also had on there for a while today that I'd be trimming the OP down when my post limit reset.

Have a nice day, you just proved my point. If you aren't willing to read, then please do not post with the tenacity of someone who has read. Choosing to be ignorant about something and then speaking about it anyways is not a good thing to do.

I am more than willing to have reasonable conversation when people post who bother to read what I say and when they don't jab at me personally, even if they disagree with me. You can find plenty of examples of that in my thread.

[Jynx]

Thanks! I love gold stars. The dps should get one too, because it's totally a dps's job to do pulls if they don't like how a tank does them, right?

But yes, if they want to do pulls, they should tank. Being shocked when a tank pulls as they want in the event of a tie is silly. According to some people (you included?), I should have left it up to the dps to pull since it was a tie. It's their job to pull after all, right?

Yet another sensational post, sure to gather the likes of the easily entertained and sure to ignore any relevant points. Kudos to you, sir.

Sure the DPS was no better than you assuming he was allowed to dictate the run from the getgo. He however isn't on the forums telling us that he believes this exact thing that your spouting.

(and I'm the tank, so obviously the game is designed for me to lead the pace of the dungeon)

I would be calling him out as well, this is a common problem with every player in the game not just tanks, healers, DPS it's a general player thing they assume that the duty finder is going to have a party full of people tailor made to do exactly what they want to do. Like others have said in this post if you want to dictate how the run will go down don't duty finder...Preform or use the party finder where you can say "Speed runz only This tank calls the shots!"

otherwise you saying you dictate the speed of the run is like saying a Tank can dictate that it's cool to ditch a Darkhold run after the first room because he and his mate were there for EXP only and leave the other members in the dust because hell he is the tank and as you said.

I'm the tank, so obviously the game is designed for me to lead the pace

Using the same logic just up and leaving the run is a tanks choice and everyone should just say "Well that's ok we better vote kick you so you don't have to eat the penalty, SE needs to change it so tanks can freely leave whenever they want because it's up to them to be the leader anyways"

But you know just being a sensationalist.

[Adire]

Sure the DPS was no better than you assuming he was allowed to dictate the run from the getgo. He however isn't on the forums telling us that he believes this exact thing that your spouting.

The DPS was not intended by SE to do pulls or accepted by most of the community to do it, and was the one who resorted to griefing to get his way and denied compromise, so he has no justifiable reason to complain.

It's really that simple.

Yep, you are being a sensationalist. Because you're ignoring the facts. There was a tie. I was the tank. It's my job to pull, so I pulled. The dps pulled too, but that's not his job. The community overall frowns on that, so does SE given how obstructive they made doing that to gameplay progression.

You're also STILL acting as if I dicated 3 people. There was a TIE. Ignored this fact, people who don't read much into my post will miss it, see your post, then think I'm a villain.

And you're STILL ignoring where I have said that if tanks are outnumbered, they should do what the group wants or leave. You're STILL ignoring that I said that I do that, and even do clears if I'm just asked nicely. You ignored this fact too, but the folks who don't read my post won't know any better.

Would it make you happier if I start allowing the dps the most say in ties when I'm the tank?

What gives the DPS the right to make the final call on pulls in a tie between player interests? Certainly not their role design....

You keep on being you though, if posting sensationally, quoting and twisting particular things I've said without taking into account the context of my whole post is who you are, and posting funny gifs to distract people from the argument and facts to gain support from people who are uninformed is what you like, you keep doing that. I'm sure you'll immediately get in the good graces of people just for the gif, regardless of post accuracy.

I'll stay away from manipulation, personally. You should do the same.

[Jynx]

There was a tie. I was the tank.

What's your point?

If there is a "Tie" and both parties can't agree then somebody needs to step up and say this isn't working and just leave. I'm not even talking about your specific dungeon encounter it's the pure fact you keep saying that you have the right to do whatever you want just because your the tank.

You don't, you have as much right to pull as the DPS who was pulling obviously the DPS is going to wind up getting the party killed, or severly slow down the dungeon. That doesn't make you justified in doing the same thing. Either adapt or leave, the DPS and his friend are left to stew in their own ignorance and you are free to go find another group who will hopefully want to speed-burn the dungeon instead of full clearing. Wether you like it or not the duty finder isn't designed for anyone to call the shots regardless of their roll design.

[Adire]

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My point is, when the problem at hand is that there is a tie about the issue of mob pulling, the person who does the mob pulling (the tank) should have the most weight in making the final call.

In any profession, the authority on a field is going to have superior weight behind their opinion in that field than other people. Does that mean they have more value than other people as a person overall? No!

The same concept applies here. When pulling mobs is the problem, the tank should get the final say about it in a tie. Does it mean that their rights as a person trump the others? No. But when personal rights are tied, it's best to give the final say so to the authority on the matter, in this case, the person playing the job whose job entails pulling mobs.

A dps trying to make the final call on that in a tie when it is in no way part of their role's intended function is like an amateur photographer being in the room with 2 other photographers and one surgeon who are all given equal role rights in the surgery. Should they all be considered equal in rights as human beings? Yes. Should they all be considered equal in rights for deciding how a surgery should proceed? No.

Would you want the photographers being equal to the surgeon in a surgery? I know I wouldn't. In a tie here, the surgeon should make the final call.

Community approval of tanks pulling vs disapproval of dps pulling exists for a reason you know.

[Natashio]

I sorry I'm late for the party Richter....but



Seriously...do people need to jump on the forums and whine and complain about every single time something pinches them on that soft spot in Duty Finder... Crazy serious..just get over it. This is the consequences and mayor con of the Duty Finder. You are always going to get knuckleheads as likewise you will get nice people. At the end you are not going to care a minute for what reasons those other 3/7/23 people are in there for. You are just going to get your thing done and leave.. Period.

I've said a few times already in these forums that Duty Finder is the worst thing I have ever had to deal with this game. But people wanted a new WoW, so you got your WoW..

And no..I did not read the original post.. I didn't have to because it just a copy and paste of all the complain about Duty Finder posts.

[cgbspender]

150 more pages and it´ll beat the "healers horror story" thread. With just ONE tank story. We ´re close to a record.

[Elim]

I don't think people should be so hard on the OP. Everyone is human. We all get our feathers ruffled once in awhile and have snap reactions. Not all of us would have been nice in his shoes, I bet you anything. The DPS was in the wrong, and started the whole conflict. IMO the tl;dr to this story is you reap what you sow.

[DreadRabbit]

Honestly this all just stems to no players should act entitled at all, regardless of their role. You're going to eventually end up playing with a rude jerk in every role who thinks because they're stuck doing DF they should get preferential treatment.

I wasn't there so I don't know just how hostile it was, but we also have to remember that due to DF's general nature if you want to communicate to your party before they take off, you have to do it quickly and in as few words as possible with most parties. I mean, we have healers who have to chase down tanks just to apply buffs because they take off the second people skip their opening scenes without saying a word. We also have console players who can't type as easily. So it's very possible that just because someone forgot "please" doesn't necessarily they're demanding that you do what they want. That could literally be them expressing what they're hoping for before risking a hasty tank just zoom down the hall.

I'm not saying you yourself are prone to doing that, but because that is a very common behavior of tanks that could have been part of it. Or it could be part of the reasons behind communicating that way if you run into this again in the future.

Now if they were truly being horrid party mates, which to make you this angry I'm sure they were, next time just vote to kick or leave the party and cue again. Obviously talk it out first, but even as DPS I would rather take another 42 minute cue than deal with someone being obnoxious on purpose.