Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Hakuro89]

If the DPS decides to go back and pull additional mobs after the tank/heals/other dps decided to leave them be, let him try and kill them by themselves. See if they learn anything from the experience.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

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And yet, if the tank dies, everybody dies. If the DPS dies, you raise them and it's all good. It's not about if it's hard or not, it's about the resposability you have. Also, as a tank, you're the most exposed to people. Since you pretty much gotta run ahead of the group, you'll find a lot of demanding people telling you what to do and judging you: If you pull 2 monsters only, if you pull all of them, it's really noticeable if you don't use cds, the healer will remember that. If you're too slow, if you're too fast. If you grab a group of monsters that one of the DPS didn't like (He'll probably let you know). Also, for example, there's only 3 tanks spot in ST and WoD. So people will wait for YOU. You're 1 out of 3 tanks out of 22 guys trapped in a raid looking at YOU. Waiting for YOU to move. Try to please them all. As a DPS, you'll be mostly un-noticeable.

PD: I play tank (paladin and warrior), healer (scholar) and DPS (dragoon and blackmage).

what y'all need to do is stop telling people what to do in parties. I don't let anybody tell me how to dps, and don't let anybody tell me how to tank. if you have a suggestion, have it come with a "could you............... please" and i will consider it.

You would be surprised how people incredibly manage it to turn every kind suggestion into a direct attack to their egos. It's really hard to give a suggestion in this game for some reason. No matter how kind you are, if you use a smiley at the end of the sentence. Whatever you do, there will be people who will turn back, stare at you and send you to hell. Either that or just ignore you and still do their own.

[kehn]

what y'all need to do is stop telling people what to do in parties. I don't let anybody tell me how to dps, and don't let anybody tell me how to tank. if you have a suggestion, have it come with a "could you............... please" and i will consider it.

[Skivvy]

MUDs (nearly 20 years).

Majormud <3

[Arixtotle]

And yet, if the tank dies, everybody dies.

Depends on the fight. As a WHM I've actually "tanked" (aka kited) bosses after rs tank has left during the fight. It can be done. It's just slow and tedious.

[Ashkendor]

I've been playing MMOs since they were text-based and called MUDs (nearly 20 years). I've played every role. And I feel confident in saying that the tank is EXPECTED to lead the group. Especially a random group.

Hah! More old people! I started off in the MMO world on JediMUD in 1995. :3

[Kuroyasha]

Doesn't seem like OP did anything wrong to me. Read the whole OP. DPS made a demand to pull every mob, tank asked dps to aoe the big pull in the blue stuff, dps refused, said some not-nice things and left with his healer friend. Of course some how some way it's all the tank's fault in the thread responses lol.

I usually visit the dps section, but I'm going start reading General Discussion more often. It's nice entertainment until Heavensward

The tank is not the slave of the group? But the way you phrase it, it seems to me that you are suggesting that the group is the slave of the tank... Why should three people have to follow what one person wants? Pretty sure the one person should follow the three.

EDIT: That being said I fully understand that groups need a leader, but just because you are the tank does not make you the default leader. If you are in a 4 man party and the other 3 people don't want you to be leader, then you are not the leader even if you are the tank.

Then one of those other 3 people should queue as a tank and set the pace themselves.

[nuyu11]

Getting aggro, use CD for hard hitting DMG and get all the glory = TANK
Long queue, replaceable role, easy for being kicked out if low DPS, less people see = DPS
As a holy savior, easy to get blame on and ignored by tank esp when they trying to cast some buff before pull = Healer

All hail to TANK \(^_^)/

Somehow I'm feel like this forum is same as Facebook, people whine their problem and ask for attention.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Depends on the fight. As a WHM I've actually "tanked" (aka kited) bosses after rs tank has left during the fight. It can be done. It's just slow and tedious.

Mostly in faceroll dungeons, overgearing it like a champ (Amdapor Keep with 4 DPS, I did that). But in your case, it also depends on the healer. In a general sense, leaving the few exceptions aside, the tank is the person who must stay alive if you want to everybody do their job instead of kitting, holding back, running away, ignoring rotations, dying, etc. In raid content it's impossible. But this conversation is taking the wrong path. I find the debate in general a nice mental exercise and it helps me to perceive how the community sees the other player's attitudes/roles.

Depending on the healer... not really. Outside of the higher levels of content (EX Primals+ basically) a good healer can make any decently DPS a tank.

I do think the healer role is another role that could be a nice leader. As of the rest of the things you've said, read above.

EDIT: I just noticed, unless that's an alt, you don't play neither warrior or paladin. Or WHM.

[Intaki]

And yet, if the tank dies, everybody dies.

Depending on the healer... not really. Outside of the higher levels of content (EX Primals+ basically) a good healer can make any decently geared DPS a tank.