RMT, I'm seriously pissed! >:<

[Radkat]

SE's main playerbase - the japanese, don't have this problem in their servers because they generally aren't incompetent enough to need to buy gil. This gives SE the ability to easily ban the few gilbuyers in their servers and maintain RMT at a minimum. However, in NA/EU servers where RMT thrives due to throngs of incompetent players needing to buy gil, then they have a problem - banning gilbuyers (to kill off demand) in these servers will halve the population or worse. The countless SOB stories accusing SE of banning ''innocents'' in the forums will damage their reputation. And the money lost from banned accounts will send their balance sheets into the red.

So, why should they do anything? In the end, it's not their fault NA/SE players like to buy gil.

[Teryaani]

SE's main playerbase - the japanese, don't have this problem in their servers because they generally aren't incompetent enough to need to buy gil. This gives SE the ability to easily ban the few gilbuyers in their servers and maintain RMT at a minimum. However, in NA/EU servers where RMT thrives due to throngs of incompetent players needing to buy gil, then they have a problem - banning gilbuyers (to kill off demand) in these servers will halve the population or worse. The countless SOB stories accusing SE of banning ''innocents'' in the forums will damage their reputation. And the money lost from banned accounts will send their balance sheets into the red.

So, why should they do anything? In the end, it's not their fault NA/SE players like to buy gil.

First off, no. Making idle racial stereotypes about players gets you nowhere. The Japanese players buy gil too. There are gil sellers with inventory on JP servers and that's not just for western players there. The marketing is different and the enforcement is better. We DO have more players willing to buy gil but if there was less spam, you may find that our numbers come down to match the JP data centers.

In that respect, it IS their fault for having more lax enforcement and worse controls.

[Radkat]

First off, no. Making idle racial stereotypes about players gets you nowhere. The Japanese players buy gil too. There are gil sellers with inventory on JP servers and that's not just for western players there. The marketing is different and the enforcement is better. We DO have more players willing to buy gil but if there was less spam, you may find that our numbers come down to match the JP data centers.

In that respect, it IS their fault for having more lax enforcement and worse controls.

Are you claiming that there is no ad spam in jp servers because SE is enforcing anti-RMT measures there, but not in NA/EU servers? Is that what you are saying?

[Teryaani]

Are you claiming that there is no ad spam in jp servers because SE is enforcing anti-RMT measures there, but not in NA/EU servers? Is that what you are saying?

I would never claim that, for the simple reason that there is ad spam on JP servers. Just less of it and all in the English-like language that the spammers use to bypass text filters. There was a thread here last week complaining about it.

To answer the spirit of your question though, no. I'm not saying that they aren't enforcing them. That would be a frankly libelous thing to say, they are trying to enforce them and failing miserably. I do believe that they are more diligent about enforcement on the JP servers. I stand by that statement.

The anti-RMT efforts are better implemented on JP servers than they are on NA servers. The biggest being the text filter. The reason the messages come through looking like gibberish here is that they are written that way to bypass text filters on /tell /shout, etc. SE so far has been throwing that and reporting as the solution to the problems on the NA and EU servers and it's crap and they know it is. The English/French/German filters are too easy to get around.

To turn your question around on you, are you claiming that there is something inherent about being a Japanese player that makes them less willing to look for a shortcut?

[Radkat]

To turn your question around on you, are you claiming that there is something inherent about being a Japanese player that makes them less willing to look for a shortcut?

Do you know which JP server was it that had ad spam? I've been in a JP server since beta. For about 2 months after launch we had crazy ad spams here, then they just died off completely. My last ad tell was about half a year ago, and only that one single tell.

As for your last question, yes there is definitely a cultural difference. Have you been to Japan before? Anyone that has been can tell you that they act differently from Westerners. The first thing you will notice is that they are very polite. Working with them, you will find that many of them seem to expect hard work before benefits, and they have a sense of honor and duty, but remains very humble. This is very different from the West where many wants instant gratification, and have very high self-entitlement ideas. There is definitely a very wide cultural difference.

[Teryaani]

Do you know which JP server was it that had ad spam? I've been in a JP server since beta. For about 2 months after launch we had crazy ad spams here, then they just died off completely. My last ad tell was about half a year ago, and only that one single tell.

I'll search the forum and find it in a sec. Were those ad spams you received in Japanese, or in English? If they were in Japanese I'll bet you it's the addition of the better filters that spare you guys that. The new spam is in the numerical and character swapped English.

As for your last question, yes there is definitely a cultural difference. Have you been to Japan before? Anyone that has been can tell you that they act differently from Westerners. The first thing you will notice is that they are very polite. Working with them, you will find that many of them seem to expect hard work before benefits, and they have a sense of honor and duty, but remains very humble. This is very different from the West where many wants instant gratification, and have very high self-entitlement ideas. There is definitely a very wide cultural difference.

You didn't answer my question at all. I have co-workers that visit Japan regularly and I've worked for a Japanese semiconductor company and am familiar with the much lauded humility. That wasn't what I asked you. Humility won't stop you from taking a shortcut. You also aren't factoring in the generational difference here. Players are buying gil there. They're going straight to the websites do to it rather than being plied by terrible /tell ads.

[Eye_Gore]

You also aren't factoring in the generational difference here.

This has to be the biggest thing with Gil buyers. I'm sure if you could see the age groups that are buying it, we wouldn't be that surprised. Yougins, I'm sure there are older folks who do too, but the majority have to be under 21.

Side note, watch Gung Ho, classic flick about Japanese and American workers in the 80's.

[Radkat]

Humility won't stop you from taking a shortcut. You also aren't factoring in the generational difference here. Players are buying gil there. They're going straight to the websites do to it rather than being plied by terrible /tell ads.

The ad tell was in English.
I HAVE answered your question. Their cultural values makes them not want to take illegal short cuts. Did you know that japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world? They are very law-abiding people. Many of them would not want to buy gil illegally. It is the same even for the younger generation, as Japan still has very low crime rates today.
Let me ask you, what can you infer by no ad spams? Every ad spam account that is banned costs money to the gilsellers. They lose a lot of money ad spamming in jp servers, but have the opposite results in NA/EU servers. The fact they continue to ad spam, means the more they ad spam, the more people flocking to buy, making it very cost effective to keep buying new ad spam accounts. So, the fact that there is no ad spam in jp servers, implies that RMTs are not getting much customers. So I strongly disagree with you that jp players are secretly flocking to websites to buy.