RMT, I'm seriously pissed! >:<

[Teryaani]

Are you claiming that there is no ad spam in jp servers because SE is enforcing anti-RMT measures there, but not in NA/EU servers? Is that what you are saying?

I would never claim that, for the simple reason that there is ad spam on JP servers. Just less of it and all in the English-like language that the spammers use to bypass text filters. There was a thread here last week complaining about it.

To answer the spirit of your question though, no. I'm not saying that they aren't enforcing them. That would be a frankly libelous thing to say, they are trying to enforce them and failing miserably. I do believe that they are more diligent about enforcement on the JP servers. I stand by that statement.

The anti-RMT efforts are better implemented on JP servers than they are on NA servers. The biggest being the text filter. The reason the messages come through looking like gibberish here is that they are written that way to bypass text filters on /tell /shout, etc. SE so far has been throwing that and reporting as the solution to the problems on the NA and EU servers and it's crap and they know it is. The English/French/German filters are too easy to get around.

To turn your question around on you, are you claiming that there is something inherent about being a Japanese player that makes them less willing to look for a shortcut?

[Radkat]

To turn your question around on you, are you claiming that there is something inherent about being a Japanese player that makes them less willing to look for a shortcut?

Do you know which JP server was it that had ad spam? I've been in a JP server since beta. For about 2 months after launch we had crazy ad spams here, then they just died off completely. My last ad tell was about half a year ago, and only that one single tell.

As for your last question, yes there is definitely a cultural difference. Have you been to Japan before? Anyone that has been can tell you that they act differently from Westerners. The first thing you will notice is that they are very polite. Working with them, you will find that many of them seem to expect hard work before benefits, and they have a sense of honor and duty, but remains very humble. This is very different from the West where many wants instant gratification, and have very high self-entitlement ideas. There is definitely a very wide cultural difference.

[seida]

I am also curious. I have experience of three jp servers, and have never seen an rmt message. I made an alt on an na server last night and saw shouts the second the intro cutscene was over.

I cannot believe this is solely down to language or different moderation. I'm sure there is the odd jp player who buys gil, but you're being naive if you don't think there's a cultural difference.

[Teryaani]

Do you know which JP server was it that had ad spam? I've been in a JP server since beta. For about 2 months after launch we had crazy ad spams here, then they just died off completely. My last ad tell was about half a year ago, and only that one single tell.

I'll search the forum and find it in a sec. Were those ad spams you received in Japanese, or in English? If they were in Japanese I'll bet you it's the addition of the better filters that spare you guys that. The new spam is in the numerical and character swapped English.

As for your last question, yes there is definitely a cultural difference. Have you been to Japan before? Anyone that has been can tell you that they act differently from Westerners. The first thing you will notice is that they are very polite. Working with them, you will find that many of them seem to expect hard work before benefits, and they have a sense of honor and duty, but remains very humble. This is very different from the West where many wants instant gratification, and have very high self-entitlement ideas. There is definitely a very wide cultural difference.

You didn't answer my question at all. I have co-workers that visit Japan regularly and I've worked for a Japanese semiconductor company and am familiar with the much lauded humility. That wasn't what I asked you. Humility won't stop you from taking a shortcut. You also aren't factoring in the generational difference here. Players are buying gil there. They're going straight to the websites do to it rather than being plied by terrible /tell ads.

[Whiteroom]

I was joking (only a little) with my FC mates last night that blacklisting spammers was now a part of my dps rotation...

[Eye_Gore]

You also aren't factoring in the generational difference here.

This has to be the biggest thing with Gil buyers. I'm sure if you could see the age groups that are buying it, we wouldn't be that surprised. Yougins, I'm sure there are older folks who do too, but the majority have to be under 21.

Side note, watch Gung Ho, classic flick about Japanese and American workers in the 80's.

[Teryaani]

I am also curious. I have experience of three jp servers, and have never seen an rmt message. I made an alt on an na server last night and saw shouts the second the intro cutscene was over.

I cannot believe this is solely down to language or different moderation. I'm sure there is the odd jp player who buys gil, but you're being naive if you don't think there's a cultural difference.

Actually, the thread I'm thinking of is this one. OP is from Masamune.

The irony of you calling me naïve, is that it takes great naivete to assume that the players from Japan are all humble, hardworking people. It's incredibly naïve to ascribe one mindset to all people from a country.

[GenJoe]

There's definitely a difference between Japanese gamers vs. American gamers as a whole.. PC gaming is a niche in Japan. Demographics are also different..
Majority of the players probably have more focus on the gaming experience as a whole rather than the typical MMO mindset of getting to the end-game ASAP and grind grind grind.

I've noticed that people who value the gameplay experience over the end-game goals are less likely to resort to RMT. After all, bypassing the gaming experience by resorting to RMT directly cuts into your experience, why would they do that?

Also, in Japan and Korea, they just have safer, legal means of trading virtual items and it's dominated by the mega-sites where they connect the sellers and buyers much like ebay. They don't need to resort to obscure Chinese websites to do so.

[Radkat]

Humility won't stop you from taking a shortcut. You also aren't factoring in the generational difference here. Players are buying gil there. They're going straight to the websites do to it rather than being plied by terrible /tell ads.

The ad tell was in English.
I HAVE answered your question. Their cultural values makes them not want to take illegal short cuts. Did you know that japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world? They are very law-abiding people. Many of them would not want to buy gil illegally. It is the same even for the younger generation, as Japan still has very low crime rates today.
Let me ask you, what can you infer by no ad spams? Every ad spam account that is banned costs money to the gilsellers. They lose a lot of money ad spamming in jp servers, but have the opposite results in NA/EU servers. The fact they continue to ad spam, means the more they ad spam, the more people flocking to buy, making it very cost effective to keep buying new ad spam accounts. So, the fact that there is no ad spam in jp servers, implies that RMTs are not getting much customers. So I strongly disagree with you that jp players are secretly flocking to websites to buy.

[Teryaani]

Did you know that japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world? They are very law-abiding people. Many of them would not want to buy gil illegally. It is the same even for the younger generation, as Japan still has very low crime rates today.

I love you Radkat. I love you because you brought up the crime rate. Did you know that the police in Japan have a 95% arrest rate? Do you know what we call that statistic in the field of economics? A lie. The Japanese police only investigate crimes that they are nearly positive they can solve. Murders go reported as a "Found Body" if they don't have a suspect. The low crime rate in Japan is a fiction, just like the notion of a well behaved young population.