Fix Sumnmoner

[Takfloyd]

Akiza you need to stop saying the same thing over and over. Literally everyone has heard this a thousand times already even before you started spamming it. We all want Enkindle to be a true summon attack and so on, and Square Enix knows this well.

You also need to stop using the word "Elementalist" in every other sentence as if this is a word people should know the meaning of. I've played every FF game and none of them have a class called Elementalist, so you just come off sounding really weird and most people probably don't know what you mean.

[AmewKitsune]

Akiza you need to stop saying the same thing over and over. Literally everyone has heard this a thousand times already even before you started spamming it. We all want Enkindle to be a true summon attack and so on, and Square Enix knows this well.

You also need to stop using the word "Elementalist" in every other sentence as if this is a word people should know the meaning of. I've played every FF game and none of them have a class called Elementalist, so you just come off sounding really weird and most people probably don't know what you mean.

Funnily enough, Elementalist did exist in Final Fantasy....Tactics....Advance...as a Viera-exclusive job that was basically a summoner. And 4 Warriors of light. Woo. According to FFwiki, the tactics one was more about inflicting status effects anyway, so guess what? It's already like Elementalist.

[Akiza]

Unfortunately for those who would like to see the Summoner job completely reworked, having current players who do enjoy Summoner the way it's designed is precisely the reason why I don't think SE would make any drastic change. They have expressed that kind of attitude towards other subjects as well. While Summoner will gain new abilities on the way up to level 60 and beyond, which might raise the cool factor up a notch, at its core it isn't going to change much and people will continue to ask for more. At this point I more expect an entirely separate Evoker job that uses summons in a different way to be added to the game before we see any major overhaul to Summoner, but even the possibility of that happening is still quite a ways down the road.

Summoner's are the evolved Evoker so it would be a downgrade and redundant to add an Evoker to this game.

[Akiza]

Yeah, man. The Fayth, Espers, and the Primals are all the same thing, right?

And for everyone who says that SmN is all about burst damage, you don't seem to have a problem with Yuna.

re: powerlevel comparisons:

Across FF, BLM would just cast Silence. GG, no summons. enjoy NUKE.

Fayth are Aeons which are Summons for Final Fantasy X, Espers are created Summon Monsters from Final Fantasy XII and and Primals are Summons for Final Fantasy XIV.
People don't have a problem with Yuna because the Summoner was the main focus not the White Mage. The Summoned Monsters themselves do AoE Bursts Damage.
Power level wises the casting magic of the Summoner was generally weaker than their Summon.

I want Enkindle's cool down to be reduced to 120s and locked to the Egi not Summon the Primal that should be a level 60 spell.

[AmewKitsune]

Fayth are Aeons which are Summons for Final Fantasy X, Espers are created Summon Monsters from Final Fantasy XII and and Primals are Summons for Final Fantasy XIV.

I was talking from a lore perspective. I assure you, they are NOT the same thing, even mechanically. Saying they are "consistent across the board" is erroneous. All that's the same is "power comes from somewhere else". By the way, I wasn't referring to FFVI when I said "Espers".

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/E...al_Fantasy_XII)

People don't have a problem with Yuna because the Summoner was the main focus not the White Mage. The Summoned Monsters themselves do AoE Bursts Damage.
Power level wises the casting magic of the Summoner was generally weaker than their Summon.

Oh no, they aren't. Yuna's main combat focus WAS White Mage. Summons were rarely used because no Party member could act while summoned, thus on random encounters, useless. That, and IN 10, while most players don't even bother with it unless they had Grand Summon for it's Overdrive, which I guess makes it burst damage, except that's not the main function of summons. They were just a big player that had tons of HP, and didn't learn any ability.

[Havenae]

I think everyone understands that this isn't ffxi. We also don't need to be told this game won't be ffxi-2 we know that as well. The thing is, is ffxi is the closest style of a ff that can be compared to this one and it's more along the line of players wanting to be summoners and having the expectations that summoner here would be similar to summoner I previous final Fantasy games, and it's not. Not even close. It's more akin to warlock from wow but shittier. I personally don't care if the job has elemental, death or poison magic. What I care about is the fact that our pets are just cast and go. Throw a few macros abilities of theirs occasionally but for the most part you can forget they're there. Plus the graphics.. The Horrible graphics. This job was clearly rushed and no it was not executed well, it wasn't received well either which is why it clearly was not executed well.

Also, we did not need another thread on this.

[Oriens]

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Two things:
1) YoshiP also conveyed his frustration with having to balance pet jobs. I believe he used SMN to explain why DRG would not be getting a wyvern pet.

2) You reminded me how egi fit into the lore as summoning the actual primal itself would be frowned upon and contradictory to you as a warrior of light...

[Havenae]

Akiza you need to stop saying the same thing over and over.

It really doesn't matter. SE is NOT going to completely rewrite a job because some people on the forums "dont like how it feels". Her time, or anyone really who proposes radical changes to the job, would be better served making posts about feasible changes to the job. Such as focusing more the egi as opposed to dots in the future and statuses or improving some of the more lackluster spells at the summoner's disposal.


For instance in the future I would like to see the job shift more to a utility style of play where the entire party might benefit from the egi (i.e. party wide buff or big debuffs to the enemies in the encounter depending on the egi that is present. Essentially more egi utility that makes them more party friendly, rather than being delegated to garuda most of the time because Ifrit can be a dumbass at times, then again so can garuda so.. whatever) I don't think that is asking for too much and would certainly give the job a little bit more of being a desirable job to add to a party than it's current state.


Also ,

Haven't you ever heard big things come in small packages. Plus with everything that happens on screen would you really want a huge summon fighting along side you.

Huge? No. Slightly bigger and more detailed so that it actually resembles the essence of the primal you're summoning? Yes.

[Akiza]

SE has created 3 Methods of Summoning in Final Fantasy
Partner Summoning - Summon Summoned Monsters as an ally to fight by the player size which is the method of Summoning most people know.
Society Summoning- The Summoning Method Beasts Tribes uses to Summon their God
Incarnate Summoning- The Summoning method used in FFXIII by Ciaus to when he manifested Bahumat in his own body transforming into the Eidolon. Louisoix Leveilleur used Incarnate Summoning to Summon the Primal Pheonix and Lady Iceheart uses Incarnate Summoning to Summon Shiva.

Incarnate Summoning is an ability that can be given to the Summoner and work similar to WoW Warlock Metamorphosis where the player transforms into the Demon temporaraly with a 10s cool down.

[zeroaru]

Incarnate Summoning is an ability that can be given to the Summoner and work similar to WoW Warlock Metamorphosis where the player transforms into the Demon temporaraly with a 10s cool down.

Why would anybody want this? That sounds profoundly lame. I can't imagine this appealing to any one over the age of 14. Please god stop with the threads, they're all the same, they're never constructive - ever.