Fix Sumnmoner

[Akiza]

WHAT!?

First off, Louisoix didn't summon Phoenix, he became the primal Phoenix, technically the people of Eorzea summoned Phoenix.

Second, Shiva is a little different, but essentually Iceheart and Shiva are the same person, debatable, maybe, but they are the same. Iceheart didn't summon an already existing primal and merge with it, as you are indicating. She essentually created the "new primal" Shiva, by channelling her "aether" into her own body, to either enhance her own skills, or to act as a vessel for Shivas will. But either way she didn't merge with a primal, she merged with aether and created/turned into a primal, similar to Louisoix.

And lastly, there has never been incarnate summons as you indicate. The XIII-2 reference you made is a little different since Caius held the heart of chaos within him. He mearly changed the vessels form, ie into bahamut, he didnt summon and merge with him, at least that was my interpritation.

No summoner has ever summoned a seperate entity and merged with them.

Why are you so "passionate" about these, outlandish, changes that don't even make sense in any summoner lore.

Shiva and Lady Iceheart aren't the same person. Saint Shiva is the woman who sided with the Dravanian Hord of Midgardsormr during the Ishgaurd War while Lady Iceheart is an Elezen Woman who is the leader of the Harriers. The people of Eorzea didn't summon the primal Pheonix they helped summon the power of the twelve but Louixoix summoned Pheonix by himself.
My suggestions are reasonable since SE to inspiration from the WoW Warlock to come up with Summoner
In 3.0 SE said they are only adding new job actions which means most of the Summoner's new abilities will like
based around the Pet we will be getting something akin to the WoW Demology Warlock spec where most of our rotation is focused around transforming into the Primal.

[AmewKitsune]

In 3.0 SE said they are only adding new job actions which means most of the Summoner\\'s new abilities will like
based around the Pet we will be getting something akin to the WoW Demology Warlock spec where most of our rotation is focused around transforming into the Primal.

That would kill any interest I ever had about being a Summoner, 'cause sure as crap is NOT summoning, and you're hardly a caster at that. That kind of thing I better suited for a Phys class.

[rawker]

here we go again... source please. the only correct thing you've said is that every job is getting more skills with the expansion but never delving too much detail as to what they are. stop hallucinating of what's to come.

[Akiza]

All anyone has to do to see that a lot of players don't like the current iteration of Summoner is go to WoD and you'll see 5-6 Black Mages per Summoner. People think the Summoner doesn't feel like a Summoner at all it feels like Arcanist with Fester. Focusing the Summoner around using Aetherflow stacks and Transforming into the Primal by absorbing the Egi into their body will go along way into making the job feel like a Summoner.

[AmewKitsune]

All anyone has to do to see that a lot of players don't like the current iteration of Summoner is go to WoD and you'll see 5-6 Black Mages per Summoner. People think the Summoner doesn't feel like a Summoner at all it feels like Arcanist with Fester. Focusing the Summoner around using Aetherflow stacks and Transforming into the Primal by absorbing the Egi into their body will go along way into making the job feel like a Summoner.

Or..maybe people just like playing a burst damage class instead of a DoT/Pet Management class? I could say "There are 3-4 Monks per Dragoon in BCOB, it's clear that people thinks Dragoon sucks", but that doesn't mean anything. People like Black Mage because they like Black Mage. Shocker, right?

Also, "transforming into the primal" is better served on some kinda Demon Knight class. Never, in FF and beyond, have I heard of absorbing your summon into your body as a core gameplay mechanic. I'd personally rather would play puppet-master with it, controlling Ifrit, for example, at a distance and commanding it's attacks, which can go for rotation/GCDs/DoTs/etc. would "go a long way" to making it feel like a Summoner.

[Skeith-Adeline]

All anyone has to do to see that a lot of players don't like the current iteration of Summoner is go to WoD and you'll see 5-6 Black Mages per Summoner. People think the Summoner doesn't feel like a Summoner at all it feels like Arcanist with Fester. Focusing the Summoner around using Aetherflow stacks and Transforming into the Primal by absorbing the Egi into their body will go along way into making the job feel like a Summoner.

So you'd rather see the class become Animorphs instead >.>

[Akiza]

So you'd rather see the class become Animorphs instead >.>

Summoner's are already poison DoT bots so an Animorph will be an upgrade.

[Trespar]

Rename Summoner to Arithmetician, revert egis to carbuncles. (including a red carbuncle)

Implement proper Summoner class later.

Why Arithmetician? Because they're nerds, like Arcanists and Scholars. And they use books.

[AmewKitsune]

Rename Summoner to Arithmetician, revert egis to carbuncles. (including a red carbuncle)

Implement proper Summoner class later.

Why Arithmetician? Because they're nerds, like Arcanists and Scholars. And they use books.

Calculate Level Prime Instant Death

gg all bosses

[Zaft]

Summoner's are already poison DoT bots so an Animorph will be an upgrade.

SMN is essentially an affliction warlock, and I'm 100% ok with that. The vocal minority does not represent the silent majority.