Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[hallena]

those people who can devote time towards a static however that is a dwindling percentage of people who can do that, as many of the players have jobs, families, etc

I hate this excuse so much
6 members in my static has either a family or is in college aswell as having a bunch of other things to take care of, yet we downed T13

[Kallera]

Except when you don't have a static, you have to go through the whole thing multiple times. Not fun if you have other things in your life that call to your attention. And the poor behaviour from the top continues.

Being calm and collected about this isn't so easy when you log off at 11:40 pm with nothing to show but sleep deprivation in the morning. Less so with a situation like coil, where an important piece of plot is over there.

Meanwhile, get left behind by friends and Ls/fc mates, told to youtube it and put up with bad commentary/reactions about how they are the ones ruining everything on non cutting edge content.

There are good people on both sides of this, with 2.5 kids, a RL job and a life to live. But they all pay money SE wants, and fortunately there is an idea to address this with Alexander. Because not everyone is in it for the late nights and the dreadwyrm.

[Songi]

I hate this excuse so much
6 members in my static has either a family or is in college aswell as having a bunch of other things to take care of, yet we downed T13

It makes them feel better using that bad excuse to hide the real truth that they're terrible at the game.

[Ophie-Mio]

these "toxic elites" who set up PF chat logs with things like "T13 clear party So DONT JOIN if u cant make it to p4 consistently, THIS IS A CLEAR party for crying out loud!" or "T11 CLEAR! NOOBS BE KICKED!"

I understand where you're coming from with this and how the language can be definitely better put but I still agree with these types of messages. When my static has to pug it, we put the message down as "T12 Farm - Please know your job and all phases or you will be kicked." We all work. Lemme repeat that. We ALL work in my static (and two of us have children) and we don't have an infinite time to farm.

When I was a new player and saw these types of messages for SCoB, I honestly didn't have the context to be upset or anything over it. I just read it and didn't think anything of it because at the time, I wasn't geared enough for the content and it didn't concern me.

I personally do not care how someone gets involved and figures out and completes the content but if I put up a party to farm, I'm not going to carry anyone through it. I need someone who can do the job as well as I can. I don't care if these people are discouraged by this attitude as well. When they get to that point (and they will) when they set up their own farm groups, they'll eventually be using the same language as us because they want results and don't wanna carry every awful player through it.

I'm still baffled by how people are saying that things require statics. I know so many pugs that have more FCoB gear than I do and have gotten further and quicker than our static did due to tons of drop out issues. >_>

Except when you don't have a static, you have to go through the whole thing multiple times. Not fun if you have other things in your life that call to your attention.

Btw, this happens in statics as well. You gotta go through it a lot.

[ziddyt]

I don't even understand your point. Why would I think the end-game community is bad for not wanting to spend their time with inexperienced players when trying to farm content? Sure, the inexperienced players are paying their sub too, but that entitles them to game time, not to other players' time. It is to be expected that when players, not just end-game players, any players, want to repeatedly clear any piece of content in a fast amount of time for whatever reward (be that dungeons, coil, pvp or whatever), they're going to want to fill their party with players experienced in that content. And of course, they have to make that known. Would you prefer they didn't lay out the rules or desires of their party in a visible description before joining? Just so inexperienced players would unwittingly join a "farm" party and immediately be kicked for holding back the party?

And you don't have to be in a static to ready yourself for coil farming. My FC has several people in it that are returning players, but they are GOOD players (that is the distinction). They can (and have) easily fill a spot in on my statics' party and learn FCOB and get their clear in a short amount of time, and go on to join PF farms. So yes, that people who want to (I personally don't care enough to farm FCOB, screw rng at this point, bring on Alexander tokens) certainly can make their experienced players only PFs. There's more than enough players that can come together from other statics and free companies (my static members have been PFing coil pretty much all day every week, statics don't just stick together and farm by themselves).

If you are a good player, and sociable, you can get yourself where you need to be. It may be overwhelming, but you just have to find the right spot. Get into learning parties, find an FC that actually does shit, don't just complain about elitists not carrying you while you sit back and do nothing because everything is too hard and toxic.

[OMEGA_HACK]

It makes them feel better using that bad excuse to hide the real truth that they're terrible at the game.

Troll post, but I'll bite. i130 DRG; have not cleared T13. My work is pretty demanding so I cannot commit to a static as I might not be able to raid on a set schedule (which a lot of professional people will concur). I am frequently top DD in anything I do, I am in a FC with a bunch of friends (from the real world) however like I mentioned since I cannot commit a dedicated time to raiding I was unable to join my friends raid static (I place no blame on them real life money > in game epeen). However there is NO EXCUSE for bad manners in any form of communication. Like your post I've quoted you only further exacerbate the situation at hand. Joking or not, its not really appropriate, just like those PF groups, just like the mentality of Elitism is not appropriate. I feel we should be working together to form a more pluralized community as that will strengthen it; not cause it to decay from within. Like I said before you think you are immune to your own mentality...just wait, its only a matter of time before Abyssea like content is released if the trends continue.

[Ophie-Mio]

I don't even understand your point. Why would I think the end-game community is bad for not wanting to spend their time with inexperienced players when trying to farm content?

Omg, I literally had this moment the other day when one of my own FC mates asked my husband, my officer and I all to help him clear Moogle EX. We had already helped him before (though we were kinda ambushed with that one) and it was awful. He had no idea what he was doing at all. He destroyed whatever moogle he could and wouldn't lay off my BLM moogle even though I told him to stop and do something else. We tried to explain to him that you can't just kill the moogles all willy nilly and we even asked if he had watched a video... >_> He had skimmed it.


Then he asked us the other day to do it again and we asked if he had gone into DF or PF at all and attempted without us. He hadn't but he offered up, "Well, as long as I take down the archer and BLM, it should be fine, right?"

We explained to him again that the fight wasn't like that all and he really needed to do research for it before attempting to get us involved.
We seriously had wasted over 2 hrs with the original night we attempted with him. 2 hrs that he hadn't even bothered to prepare for.

I do not want to spend all my time dragging inexperienced players around on the dirt while I clean up their mistakes.

Troll post, but I'll bite. i130 DRG; have not cleared T13. My work is pretty demanding so I cannot commit to a static as I might not be able to raid on a set schedule (which a lot of professional people will concur).

And fyi, due to the clearing of the loot cap, there are SO many parties now both farming AND learning. People who are in the same boat as you where they cannot join statics are more than welcome to join T13 learning parties. On my server alone, there were 5 last night. 5 last night after 7pm PST. Statics are not a necessity at this point for many people.

[siverstorm]

these "toxic elites" who set up PF chat logs with things like "T13 clear party So DONT JOIN if u cant make it to p4 consistently, THIS IS A CLEAR party for crying out loud!" or "T11 CLEAR! NOOBS BE KICKED!" or "T13 Know the fight, you die you get booted experienced players only"--I could go on

Time out.

I'll preface this by saying not every PF is reasonable, there do exist the "elitist" types you speak of but they're not ALL like that. It irritates me that players who expect general competence are signed off as "elitist, toxic trolls" right off the bat.

A person is NOT an "elitist" if they want their farms to be farms or clear/learning parties to have the same exp prior to going in. Most of these farm parties have respectable strike rules.


Learning parties will want exp to at least around the same phase, why should 7 people up to phase 3 have to then suffer through wipes because one person lied about their knowledge of the fight? Of course some fights are manageable and recoverable but not all of them are.

Have 0 experience looking to learn a raid? Make a learning PF stating so. Get a group of people who are in the same spot and make attempts. Learn fights, do research, etc. If you can't commit to a static take what you can from the learning parties and as you become more comfortable set the bar at the next phases. Will you clear it in x weeks like a static? Probably not. You'll spend a significant amount of extra time even as you sift through players who lied to you about their experience and caused wipes.

Parties going for first time clears and are actually serious should have a solid understanding that not everyone is perfect. You're gonna sometimes get your impatient jerks who blow up after the first wipe but don't assume everyone is like that.

I'm looking at my PF right now and i see:

1) T10 clear, please at least have seen last phase
2) T12 farm, please know the fight
3) T9 need a clear
4) T11 learning, please have seen up to add phase

In regards to the "I have a life and can't commit to a static".

I was in my static through uni, managed good grades, now working full time. I'm still able to have a social life, play other games if I choose, hit the gym, hang out with irl friends. Of course there are extreme circumstances "I'm working random night shifts" or "I need to watch 3+ children" (both have happened in our group). But again, those are extremes. I've raided with parents, occasional night shift workers, people in fulltime work/school. The average people you speak of you don't need to be on the game 24/7 to clear content.

[ziddyt]

Hell, even before the lockout removal, FCOB was being pugged. At least on hyperion, there were several party finders every day of groups or statics looking for fill-ins, or static-less people looking for their "weekly clear."

As far as I could tell, it was all rather successful cause I personally knew a handful of people that would pug FCOB on alts and stuff back then.

[OMEGA_HACK]

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Well you have nice people on your server lol, those examples were taken right out of my PF as I typed them, word for word. And its been like that for the past few times I've logged on.