Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[OMEGA_HACK]

...No?
Why would you be discouraged that you can't/shouldn't join a farm or clear party if you don't have the ability or knowledge to clear the content? As a new player, I would make or seek out a learning party until I did have the ability to join those parties... and become an elitist myself.

You mean to tell me that if you opened PF and only saw those kinds of parties as a completely new player that you would not think the end game community is a bad one? Some people might take it as a challenge, those people who can devote time towards a static however that is a dwindling percentage of people who can do that, as many of the players have jobs, families, etc. In fact its known that only 25% of MMOs players are teenages and the average age of a MMO player is 25-35, meaning 75% of the players on this game have to work, have a family, have other obligations, etc etc. That shouldn't mean that they not be able to easily access (access does not mean clear/complete) all the same content that you are paying for. Its not like those people who cannot get into a static to do these raids are paying any less than you. In fact it was part of their money that helped make said content so its the least you could do is be civil and realize that content that just hit the DF isn't going to be "experienced player only" status.

Lastly its not quite the fact that these PF groups exist as much as its the language being used, sadly though there is nothing that can change that as the anonymity of internet protects and lets people act unlike they would if in person...Its a shame that a vast majority thinks its okay.

[Ophie-Mio]

these "toxic elites" who set up PF chat logs with things like "T13 clear party So DONT JOIN if u cant make it to p4 consistently, THIS IS A CLEAR party for crying out loud!" or "T11 CLEAR! NOOBS BE KICKED!"

I understand where you're coming from with this and how the language can be definitely better put but I still agree with these types of messages. When my static has to pug it, we put the message down as "T12 Farm - Please know your job and all phases or you will be kicked." We all work. Lemme repeat that. We ALL work in my static (and two of us have children) and we don't have an infinite time to farm.

When I was a new player and saw these types of messages for SCoB, I honestly didn't have the context to be upset or anything over it. I just read it and didn't think anything of it because at the time, I wasn't geared enough for the content and it didn't concern me.

I personally do not care how someone gets involved and figures out and completes the content but if I put up a party to farm, I'm not going to carry anyone through it. I need someone who can do the job as well as I can. I don't care if these people are discouraged by this attitude as well. When they get to that point (and they will) when they set up their own farm groups, they'll eventually be using the same language as us because they want results and don't wanna carry every awful player through it.

I'm still baffled by how people are saying that things require statics. I know so many pugs that have more FCoB gear than I do and have gotten further and quicker than our static did due to tons of drop out issues. >_>

Except when you don't have a static, you have to go through the whole thing multiple times. Not fun if you have other things in your life that call to your attention.

Btw, this happens in statics as well. You gotta go through it a lot.

[Mercutial]

Lastly its not quite the fact that these PF groups exist as much as its the language being used, sadly though there is nothing that can change that as the anonymity of internet protects and lets people act unlike they would if in person...Its a shame that a vast majority thinks its okay.

I think you just might be surprised at how many of those PF solicitations that elect to be phrased in such way are complete and utter wipe fests. Again... the raiding community proper is NOT as toxic as people believe.

[CGMidlander]

I think you just might be surprised at how many of those PF solicitations that elect to be phrased in such way are complete and utter wipe fests. Again... the raiding community proper is NOT as toxic as people believe.

On the subject of PF, many of the more competent raiding activities happen in LSes, not on the PF.

[Sapphic]

those people who can devote time towards a static however that is a dwindling percentage of people who can do that, as many of the players have jobs, families, etc.

You do not need to be a student, unemployed etc to be in a static. Our static, near all of us work, 2 of them are full time teachers. Have families. All those things you say detract from the possibility of joining a static. And, even with our random schedule of when we can raid each week due to RL responsibilities changing the days available we have cleared all content. Yes, it took us longer than many statics, but we weren't racing.

If you are aiming for world/server firsts then a lot of time in a short period is needed, if, like us, firsts don't matter. Then being part of a static with RL responsibilities is entirely feasible.

[Ashkendor]

If you are aiming for world/server firsts then a lot of time in a short period is needed, if, like us, firsts don't matter. Then being part of a static with RL responsibilities is entirely feasible.

Right? I hate when people assume that since I've cleared T13 I must no-life coil day in and day out. The fact is, my static only raids 3 days a week for 2-3 hours a night. It took us four weeks to clear T13 from the time we got into the turn, but who cares? We did something that a majority of the playerbase hasn't done, and we did it on a reasonable weekly time scale. I think the vast majority of people could set aside a 2-3 hour time slot a few times a week.

[Sapphic]

Right? I hate when people assume that since I've cleared T13 I must no-life coil day in and day out. The fact is, my static only raids 3 days a week for 2-3 hours a night. It took us four weeks to clear T13 from the time we got into the turn, but who cares? We did something that a majority of the playerbase hasn't done, and we did it on a reasonable weekly time scale. I think the vast majority of people could set aside a 2-3 hour time slot a few times a week.

Many just come across as lazy, too lazy to learn content, too lazy to organise or search for a static whilst coming out with no viable excuses that are easily countered on why they don't want to play the game as designed.
But even if they changed the content, statics will still exist. Why would anyone suddenly stop playing with friends? Wouldn't happen.

As I've said in a previous post. I would love more players to succeed in hard content as then it would be more viable for SE to devote more time to creating more But as I said, too many are lazy in regards to challenge.

[Ashkendor]

Many just come across as lazy, too lazy to learn content, too lazy to organise or search for a static whilst coming out with no viable excuses that are easily countered on why they don't want to play the game as designed.
But even if they changed the content, statics will still exist. Why would anyone suddenly stop playing with friends? Wouldn't happen.

Exactly. I first got asked to join my current static through a social linkshell that I'm in and I didn't know anyone in it beyond passing acquaintance. A few people have come and gone, but the current party is now fairly tight-knit. There's a core group of us that spends a lot of time together, doing everything from relic books to roulettes to pony/coil farming. The other members join us frequently, but not necessarily for everything. Even if the content was nerfed to the point of not needing a static, we'd probably still run it in a static because things are just more fun when you do them with friends. Hell, we still do first coil turns together sometimes either in clear parties or on random jobs for giggles.

As I've said in a previous post. I would love more players to succeed in hard content as then it would be more viable for SE to devote more time to creating more But as I said, too many are lazy in regards to challenge.

Yup, I'd love to see more people succeed at the harder content too. I'm happy to help with clears and learning, but people have to put forth some effort of their own if they want to reap any reward. A static most likely isn't just going to fall into your lap; it takes effort either making your own or looking for one, as well as making sure you're geared and good at your class so you can succeed. I just hate to see people say 'I don't have time' when it doesn't take that huge of a commitment. It makes me wonder if people are just saying it as an excuse or if they genuinely don't understand that you don't need to raid 7 nights a week to clear any of the content we have in the game.

[Purrfectstorm]

I just hate to see people say 'I don't have time' when it doesn't take that huge of a commitment. It makes me wonder if people are just saying it as an excuse or if they genuinely don't understand that you don't need to raid 7 nights a week to clear any of the content we have in the game.

People have changing schedules also. It may not be a lack of time per se, just that a person can't always play on X day at X o'clock. I've been trying to put together a static but it's been a major hassle getting the same 8 people to all show up on the same night. And how many nights is someone allowed to miss (probably for legitimately important RL reasons) before you have to kick them for being unreliable? You have to draw the line somewhere and yet wherever you draw it, to me it still feels like you're asking people to prioritize a game over real life.

[Ashkendor]

People have changing schedules also. It may not be a lack of time per se, just that a person can't always play on X day at X o'clock. I've been trying to put together a static but it's been a major hassle getting the same 8 people to all show up on the same night. And how many nights is someone allowed to miss (probably for legitimately important RL reasons) before you have to kick them for being unreliable? You have to draw the line somewhere and yet wherever you draw it, to me it still feels like you're asking people to prioritize real life over a game.

If someone has something come up, all they have to do is let us know in advance and everything is fine. If someone can't be on for the raid, we rep them for the night. When we were in progression, that meant that they had to accept that we might clear without them. Now it's not so much of an issue since everything is farmable. Those of us that live in the US all have each other's contact information. We also have a guy from Europe in our static, and we're fine with him sending moogle mails. Even if someone is a "no call no show," it's excusable as long as it was a legitimate real life reason (my kid got sick, I was in a car accident, etc) and not just "I don't feel like raiding tonight." If "no call no show" turns into a habit, the static leader would address it; if it continues, they would be permanently replaced.

I won't lie, we have had to replace people for being unreliable. We've also had people leave because of schedule changes. The thing is, we're very reasonable. We're willing to work with people. We've actually moved our raid time back an hour or two to accomodate members. We understand that real life comes first (as it should), but a static does require a bit of a commitment as well. It's not fair to the other seven people to let chronic absences go unaddressed.