Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[ClaireAbigail]

That attitude was just right down assholery.

Now, with that said, people saying they want the content to be easier instead of THEM THEMSELVES getting better to beat it is just as much assholery

It is what it is. What you call attitude is what I call being defensive. Some people here who doesn't raid came here guns blazing and quickly call the ones who raid "toxic". Everyone needs to wake up and smell the flowers. There's alot of content here and unless you don't have a job or school, you won't be able to do ALL of them. With that being said, just because you can't do X content, it doesn't mean you'll come whining here begging se to NERF the content. Find me someone with all zetas, 4 star crafter, all dreadwyrm, can fish and gather everything with a personal mansion, lvl 20 Chocobo while having a full time job or school had zero help from RMT. If you do that I'll quit raiding.

[CatsBesErrwhere]

I still dun understand how RMT is bein` successfull in this full pve game

[Zohar_Lahar]

It is what it is. What you call attitude is what I call being defensive. Some people here who doesn't raid came here guns blazing and quickly call the ones who raid "toxic". Everyone needs to wake up and smell the flowers. There's alot of content here and unless you don't have a job or school, you won't be able to do ALL of them. With that being said, just because you can't do X content, it doesn't mean you'll come whining here begging se to NERF the content. Find me someone with all zetas, 4 star crafter, all dreadwyrm, can fish and gather everything with a personal mansion, lvl 20 Chocobo while having a full time job or school had zero help from RMT. If you do that I'll quit raiding.

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

[StrejdaTom]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

Nerfing it to the ground and then facerolling it wont make you any better than not clearing it at all.
Just do what you enjoy and dont care about what people say. And you can always make party of friends or FC mates to try to do it, or wait for example for Heavensward, overgear yourself and faceroll it without nerfing it.

[hallena]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now.

So you ask for nerf because people are calling you horrible?
You want coil nerfed and annoys thousands of people because a handful of raiders hurted your feelings?
And somehow we are toxic?

[Cadmar]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

I mean this in the nicest way possible and truly mean no offense by it.. but.. At this point, between ilvls and echo buff, T5 should be very close to a walk in the park. In my opinion there is absolutely zero reason that anyone shouldn't be able to have cleared that by now (with the exception of brand new players). I guess my point is.. if you really want to do it then you will find a way to get it done.

You say people are acting like those without a T5 clear are horrible players. That would be mean and I would never say that to anyone.. but my question then is.. what exactly do you call them? Uninterested? Unmotivated? If so, then fine. Go find something else to do and stop worrying about Coil.

I enjoy hardcore raiding. That does not make me a bad person. I want my raids to be insanely difficult and I don't want them nerfed. That does not make me an elitist. It is one sub-section of the game. The thing that stinks is that people who don't "hardcore raid" seem to always want to change the raids to make them easier. On the other hand, the people who do "hardcore raid" leave the more "casual" group alone to do their thing with no interference. Let us have our raids in peace and you guys go do whatever it is you do.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Everytime you say toxic and elitist, it makes me wanna log in league of legends, pick teemo and feed the other team.


How about this: we(people who raids) have our content. You(people who doesn't raid) have your own. Don't whine about our content and we won't whine about yours . Leave ours alone and we will leave yours alone. Stop asking SE to make our content easier and we won't even think twice asking se to make your content harder! I think that's a fair deal

Raiding is not for everyone...there's crafting....gathering....leveling other classes....rping...relic weapons....you know! This game offers a variety of content for the raid inept people

I think you miss the point on what a lot of people are trying to say and instead you sound like one of those "Toxic Elitist" in which people are referencing. An Elitist isn't defined by someone who has cleared all the hardest content in the game, that is an achiever, an elitist is a person who thinks they are better than their fellow peers because they have cleared said hardest content--which is basically what you are saying. Furthermore, I don't think you quite understand that people who want to raid cannot because of a massive divide between players who have completed it and players who have not but want to. Just because a player is new to the content doesn't mean they will suck, just because they don't have a static (some people work 60+ hours and week and cannot commit to a static) doesn't mean they suck, however, these "toxic elites" who set up PF chat logs with things like "T13 clear party So DONT JOIN if u cant make it to p4 consistently, THIS IS A CLEAR party for crying out loud!" or "T11 CLEAR! NOOBS BE KICKED!" or "T13 Know the fight, you die you get booted experienced players only"--I could go on. But if you were a new player and you saw those, would you not be discouraged to playing the game?

The players are their own worst enemy in this case, elitists and new people a like. Those types of players like mentioned above are only causing a broader rift between themselves and others, and well you know what happens in a market with lots of other options? That's right, the new players won't stick around. Now you might be saying "Altrage, that's fine we have 4million people playing right now, we all good!" But my answer would be "For now." What happens 7 years down the road when the game is still stagnant at 4million players? Content slows down...quality begins to drop as developers are placed elsewhere to try and make new more profitable things...etc...etc... OR they end up doing something like in FFXI called Abyssea. That game became way too elitist and it forced them to make face-roll content (abyssea) for everyone to enjoy in order to retain and gain new players, which it worked as they went from 200k subs to 300k-400k subs.

So long story short, you gonna reap what you sow, one way or another. So personal suggestion, start treating each other with an ounce of respect, and offer to help new players; while you might not like it as much in the long run its gonna save your game.

[Bruiser_Cruiser]

Its been a while since i have done coils and this is kinda why. I feel like I'm not so much working to defeat a boss but working to beat a memory puzzle.

[ziddyt]

Ihowever, these "toxic elites" who set up PF chat logs with things like "T13 clear party So DONT JOIN if u cant make it to p4 consistently, THIS IS A CLEAR party for crying out loud!" or "T11 CLEAR! NOOBS BE KICKED!" or "T13 Know the fight, you die you get booted experienced players only"--I could go on. But if you were a new player and you saw those, would you not be discouraged to playing the game?

...No?
Why would you be discouraged that you can't/shouldn't join a farm or clear party if you don't have the ability or knowledge to clear the content? As a new player, I would make or seek out a learning party until I did have the ability to join those parties... and become an elitist myself.

[OMEGA_HACK]

...No?
Why would you be discouraged that you can't/shouldn't join a farm or clear party if you don't have the ability or knowledge to clear the content? As a new player, I would make or seek out a learning party until I did have the ability to join those parties... and become an elitist myself.

You mean to tell me that if you opened PF and only saw those kinds of parties as a completely new player that you would not think the end game community is a bad one? Some people might take it as a challenge, those people who can devote time towards a static however that is a dwindling percentage of people who can do that, as many of the players have jobs, families, etc. In fact its known that only 25% of MMOs players are teenages and the average age of a MMO player is 25-35, meaning 75% of the players on this game have to work, have a family, have other obligations, etc etc. That shouldn't mean that they not be able to easily access (access does not mean clear/complete) all the same content that you are paying for. Its not like those people who cannot get into a static to do these raids are paying any less than you. In fact it was part of their money that helped make said content so its the least you could do is be civil and realize that content that just hit the DF isn't going to be "experienced player only" status.

Lastly its not quite the fact that these PF groups exist as much as its the language being used, sadly though there is nothing that can change that as the anonymity of internet protects and lets people act unlike they would if in person...Its a shame that a vast majority thinks its okay.