Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[KyrsIsley]

Troll post, but I'll bite. i130 DRG; have not cleared T13. My work is pretty demanding so I cannot commit to a static as I might not be able to raid on a set schedule (which a lot of professional people will concur). I am frequently top DD in anything I do, I am in a FC with a bunch of friends (from the real world) however like I mentioned since I cannot commit a dedicated time to raiding I was unable to join my friends raid static (I place no blame on them real life money > in game epeen). However there is NO EXCUSE for bad manners in any form of communication. Like your post I've quoted you only further exacerbate the situation at hand. Joking or not, its not really appropriate, just like those PF groups, just like the mentality of Elitism is not appropriate. I feel we should be working together to form a more pluralized community as that will strengthen it; not cause it to decay from within. Like I said before you think you are immune to your own mentality...just wait, its only a matter of time before Abyssea like content is released if the trends continue.

There are statics out there that only ask for a set number of nights per week and are willing to work around people's schedules. I ran a static where we had:
- an international flight attendant living in Asia (the rest of us were in the US) whose schedule changed every week and sometimes we had to work around time zone differences.
- a med student who was on surgery rotation and sometimes couldn't raid last minute because he was in surgery.
- an engineer who works at a steel mill whose schedule was flip flopped in 12 hour shifts from week to week, so there were weeks where he could only raid in the morning or night.

Scheduling the raid every week was a giant PITA, and we were not the fastest group to clear coil on our server. But we cleared it way before they unlocked and continued to clear every week. People had work and family long before MMOs came out. Work and family aren't what's stopping people from committing to a static; not having the drive to make it happen is what's stopping you.

[Krr]

the real problem isn't time required, it's having a profession that allows you to maintain a consistent schedule

9-5? no problem, you know that you're available from 6-12 almost every night. you might have some unplanned overtime but chances are you can notify if that comes up

college? yeah it's rough, but manage your workload and you'll find a few hours a week to raid

retail shift worker? good friggin luck, the manager writing your schedule is not gonna exempt you from being placed in a certain block every week to play video games on the internet with your friends unless you're seriously good pals with him, and even then you probably have to make something up that's not that

can you do it? yeah, but the average static leader is not gonna work around you if you can't have a reliable time schedule

(emphasis average and not anecdotal exceptionals)

[siverstorm]

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And as its been said multiple times, you have full power to do something about it. Make learning parties yourself starting from phase one of whatever fight you're on. Don't make the expectation that things are going to go perfect and smooth right off the bat. As you get comfortable move on to the next phase, etc. Do some research phase by phase, set the initial bar for others to have done the same research as you (unless you want to try blind runs in pugs?).

You will only be rewarded for as much effort as you try to put through. If you really want to clear this content, that is. It'll take a bloody long time but that's the nature of the content. This will be addressed come heavensward with the normal mode and hard mode alexander. Who knows, maybe they'll nerf FCoB to the ground beyond echo to make it accessible as well?

If you can't stomach the occasional genuine asshole, or that there's a select few that were rude to you and now you don't even want to try the content then I don't know what more can be added.

Welcome to the gaming subsection of the internet. You would need a worldwide social movement to address the negative type of attitude that spawns there.

[KyrsIsley]

can you do it? yeah, but the average static leader is not gonna work around you if you can't have a reliable time schedule

(emphasis average and not anecdotal exceptionals)

Yes, another person may not want to work around your schedule, but you can always be that static leader and make it happen. If you can't do it for yourself, you can't blame others for not doing it for you. The real problem here is the lack of drive to make it happen, not work or family or any other excuse you can dream up.

[Ashkendor]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

The majority of people in this thread aren't saying or acting like any such thing. If I say that T6 is easy, I mean that I myself find it easy. I cleared it before the nerfs and before Echo, so of course it's much simpler to me now. Viewing that comment as a personal insult to you is completely your own doing. Some people think T13 is easy. I personally don't, as my static has only cleared it once so far and is still working on cleaning up some of the mechanics. If someone says it's easy, I assume they've just had the fight on farm for awhile now. I don't assume that they are calling me bad.

If you aren't interested in clearing Coil, that's also completely up to you. If you are interested and just haven't been able to finish the content for whatever reason, many of us would be willing to help. I know I've helped with countless T5 and T9 clears, and have even gone with a few learning parties for 10 through 13. Unfortunately, you are not on the right server for me myself to be able to help you, but I'm sure there are people on your server that would be just as willing. The thing is, people don't typically put up party finders reading "Veteran player wanting to help new people get T9 clears," so you have to put up your own stating that you are looking for help with the content.

Having the content nerfed to the ground and then facerolling it won't make you any better of a player. Some of the people that cleared T9 before echo was put in actually look down on those that cleared after the fact. I don't really care, honestly. Stop worrying so much about what people think of you and just do what you like to do.

It's a game. It's supposed to be fun. Do what's fun for you.

[radioactive_lego]

Welcome to any difficult content. It's like titan, know when the hit is supposed to come, and prepare for it accordingly.

And this is why endgame ffxiv is luke warm at best.

SE would't even have to bend over backwards to fix this. Just vary where [the rock drops] and where the [adds spawn]. Relax difficulty and reliance on script adherance a bit to accomodate the randomness.

[Elazu]

But T9 doesnt offer an interesting or engaging challenge.

You are correct. Echo and i130 makes the fight stupidly easy.

[GenJoe]

Well truth be told, coil being the end-game raid of all end-game raids.. There's no reason for SE to tone it down to let all the playerbase have access to it.

It's bound to take lot of effort, if your work irl takes priority, then by all means, you'll simply be missing out. OR be forced to tackle it with a PUG and take your chances.

My personal gripe with the game isn't the design around coil, coil can stay the way it is, something to study over and over, step by step, and eventually conquer it then just faceroll the crap out of it to farm for gear etc.. That's a typical raid model of MMOs anyway, if you're expecting something different, that's too bad.

My problem is that anything beyond lv 50 HM seems to be built around that very same design.. I don't mind putting together a static to get through coils, rather, I usually opt out of it because it doesn't intrigue me and that's fine also.. But why are all the extreme primals built around the same mechanics which takes multiple wipes and keeping notes to beat? Those should just be a test of physical skills (reflexes, muscle memory, multitasking etc.) to either promote people who're a liability to go the way of pre-mades, or perhaps forcing people to learn a thing or two about optimizing their play style... Sometimes I wonder if they're even using the extra hotbars, or if they've even bothered to rebind hotkeys to their liking.. Hell, I'd bet most of them are clickers even.. It's just insanely annoying to see people in Tex that still move like they belong in Satasha.. Game should've guided them to improve their playing, not their studying skills.

[Zumi]

Echo and nerfs may be coming next Tuesday, because the don't schedule Eternal Bond updates is saying don't sechedule one next week around that day. 1st and 2nd coil got nerfed / echo 2 weeks after it was put in DF too.

[Noutaja]

Couldnt agree more with the OP. Every word right on point. Hopefully the new raid in heavensward offers something drastically different than what coils ever offered.