Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

[Gilthas]

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I know you're not threatening to not play 3.0, but aren't the people saying that they should "stay dead" doing the same thing?

I think it's extremely likely that all the Scions are alive since we didn't actually see them die. So no, them "coming back" wouldn't make FFXIV a comic book.

Nanamo is a different issue since we actually see her die and her death scene was certainly a lot more emotional than the "death scenes" of the Scions. But it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Nanamo was poisoned with a drug that only made her seem dead. If true though, I don't think she was in on the plan.

Reading through the responses I'd say no, but literally nobody who said plothole in this thread ellaborated on what were the holes. Can you be the first to do so? Please?

I imagine we both know that people make up plotholes to justify why they consider a story bad. Some people have never heard of suspension of disbelief.

I still remember someone telling me that FFVII was riddled with plotholes including the player never knowing who Cloud's dad is.

[Balipu]

I know you're not threatening to not play 3.0, but aren't the people saying that they should "stay dead" doing the same thing?
Nah. I won't quit if they all turn out alive but will stay disappointed. And seeing how much they added to the story I think we could do well with only Tataru, Yugiri, Cid and the Leveilleurs so even though I love Y'shtola, I don't think the game would go to hell without her.
I think it's extremely likely that all the Scions are alive since we didn't actually see them die. So no, them "coming back" wouldn't make FFXIV a comic book.
No we didn't see them die, that's true, but they didn't stay behind to catch up with us later, either. We last saw Papalymo and Yda winning but the army got passed them AND the portcullis. Y'shtola very explicitly preapaired to drop the ceiling on her own head. Like I said, Nanamo and at least one Scion should stay dead.
Nanamo is a different issue since we actually see her die and her death scene was certainly a lot more emotional than the "death scenes" of the Scions. But it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Nanamo was poisoned with a drug that only made her seem dead. If true though, I don't think she was in on the plan.
Or what if she was in on the plan to drink the poison and die? As others have pointed out, her expression and her gestures during the private audience were highly suspicious. Also she is likely not so dense as to believe that dissolving the monarchy would prevent the monetarists from making a power play. She likely planned for Teledji becomming overconfident and showing his hands too soon, which he did. This might also redeem Kan-E and Merlwyb. Remember, we didn't see the end of the tea party where she revealed her intention to abdicate the throne. Merlwyb almost stayed but remembered that this was all according to Nanamo's plan and left. Yes, this is my theory and i'm gonna stick to it.


I imagine we both know that people make up plotholes to justify why they consider a story bad. Some people have never heard of suspension of disbelief.

I still remember someone telling me that FFVII was riddled with plotholes including the player never knowing who Cloud's dad is.

Yeah, plot hole is this magic word people throw around. Like how everyone is a n00b who I can beat and everyone who I can't has no life. Or at least not a girlfriend.

actually it is elaborated on a few times but I'll point out in my first post on here that wasnt just about Yugiri's hair

and my second post



we don't see her die, what we see is about the same thing as going into spasms and passing out. nobody touches her with you present and I still suspect that is because it would be much harder to fake it if they felt a pulse or her breathing. the only word you have of her death comes from people you can't trust.

Yes well this isn't what a plot hole is. A plot hole would be for Teledji for showing up in Ishgard after the banquett.
There not being an autopsy is not a plot hole at all.

[saber_alter]

i found this conversation interesting.

I know you're not threatening to not play 3.0, but aren't the people saying that they should "stay dead" doing the same thing?
Nah. I won't quit if they all turn out alive but will stay disappointed. And seeing how much they added to the story I think we could do well with only Tataru, Yugiri, Cid and the Leveilleurs so even though I love Y'shtola, I don't think the game would go to hell without her.
I'm still not sure if any of them died, though Y'shtola and Thancred are probably closer to the death flag. Yda and papalymo are probably alive and kicking, being caught in your own Final heaven isn't really life threatening...or is that why we do a backflip away after we do it?
I think it's extremely likely that all the Scions are alive since we didn't actually see them die. So no, them "coming back" wouldn't make FFXIV a comic book.
No we didn't see them die, that's true, but they didn't stay behind to catch up with us later, either. We last saw Papalymo and Yda winning but the army got passed them AND the portcullis. Y'shtola very explicitly preapaired to drop the ceiling on her own head. Like I said, Nanamo and at least one Scion should stay dead.
i agree that the Sultana is dead. less so that any of the scions are, people dying to flash of white light is pretty common for cheating death.
Nanamo is a different issue since we actually see her die and her death scene was certainly a lot more emotional than the "death scenes" of the Scions. But it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Nanamo was poisoned with a drug that only made her seem dead. If true though, I don't think she was in on the plan.
Or what if she was in on the plan to drink the poison and die? As others have pointed out, her expression and her gestures during the private audience were highly suspicious. Also she is likely not so dense as to believe that dissolving the monarchy would prevent the monetarists from making a power play. She likely planned for Teledji becomming overconfident and showing his hands too soon, which he did. This might also redeem Kan-E and Merlwyb. Remember, we didn't see the end of the tea party where she revealed her intention to abdicate the throne. Merlwyb almost stayed but remembered that this was all according to Nanamo's plan and left. Yes, this is my theory and i'm gonna stick to it.
I was going to argue about why wasn't Raubahn in on it, and why Nanamo is suddenly so scheming, though i do get that a monetarist power grab is the perfect setup for a revolution done by the people.
I imagine we both know that people make up plotholes to justify why they consider a story bad. Some people have never heard of suspension of disbelief.

I still remember someone telling me that FFVII was riddled with plotholes including the player never knowing who Cloud's dad is.

You are one of the few people in here that doesnt actually bother to use spoiler tags to cover important facts. I think that says enough about your opinion on plotholes.

the topic has the word spoilers in it, if your going to be going into this topic, you have to expect it.

[Aeyis]

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the topic has the word spoilers in it, if your going to be going into this topic, you have to expect it.

Thats true. But near everyone else was still using them. Out of courtesy for the topic, and others. To have someone suddenly comment on ''lol they are using plotholes do they even know wats a plothole'' shows less courtesy towards the topic, and bespeaks of perhaps less of an interest in this topic.
IE: he didnt actually read to see if what we talk about really are plotholes.