Thread: Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

Originally Posted by Balipu

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I know you're not threatening to not play 3.0, but aren't the people saying that they should "stay dead" doing the same thing?

I think it's extremely likely that all the Scions are alive since we didn't actually see them die. So no, them "coming back" wouldn't make FFXIV a comic book.

Nanamo is a different issue since we actually see her die and her death scene was certainly a lot more emotional than the "death scenes" of the Scions. But it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Nanamo was poisoned with a drug that only made her seem dead. If true though, I don't think she was in on the plan.

Originally Posted by Balipu

Reading through the responses I'd say no, but literally nobody who said plothole in this thread ellaborated on what were the holes. Can you be the first to do so? Please?

I imagine we both know that people make up plotholes to justify why they consider a story bad. Some people have never heard of suspension of disbelief.

I still remember someone telling me that FFVII was riddled with plotholes including the player never knowing who Cloud's dad is.

Originally Posted by Gilthas

I know you're not threatening to not play 3.0, but aren't the people saying that they should "stay dead" doing the same thing?
Nah. I won't quit if they all turn out alive but will stay disappointed. And seeing how much they added to the story I think we could do well with only Tataru, Yugiri, Cid and the Leveilleurs so even though I love Y'shtola, I don't think the game would go to hell without her.
I think it's extremely likely that all the Scions are alive since we didn't actually see them die. So no, them "coming back" wouldn't make FFXIV a comic book.
No we didn't see them die, that's true, but they didn't stay behind to catch up with us later, either. We last saw Papalymo and Yda winning but the army got passed them AND the portcullis. Y'shtola very explicitly preapaired to drop the ceiling on her own head. Like I said, Nanamo and at least one Scion should stay dead.
Nanamo is a different issue since we actually see her die and her death scene was certainly a lot more emotional than the "death scenes" of the Scions. But it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Nanamo was poisoned with a drug that only made her seem dead. If true though, I don't think she was in on the plan.
Or what if she was in on the plan to drink the poison and die? As others have pointed out, her expression and her gestures during the private audience were highly suspicious. Also she is likely not so dense as to believe that dissolving the monarchy would prevent the monetarists from making a power play. She likely planned for Teledji becomming overconfident and showing his hands too soon, which he did. This might also redeem Kan-E and Merlwyb. Remember, we didn't see the end of the tea party where she revealed her intention to abdicate the throne. Merlwyb almost stayed but remembered that this was all according to Nanamo's plan and left. Yes, this is my theory and i'm gonna stick to it.


I imagine we both know that people make up plotholes to justify why they consider a story bad. Some people have never heard of suspension of disbelief.

I still remember someone telling me that FFVII was riddled with plotholes including the player never knowing who Cloud's dad is.

Yeah, plot hole is this magic word people throw around. Like how everyone is a n00b who I can beat and everyone who I can't has no life. Or at least not a girlfriend.

Originally Posted by Wildsprite

actually it is elaborated on a few times but I'll point out in my first post on here that wasnt just about Yugiri's hair

and my second post



we don't see her die, what we see is about the same thing as going into spasms and passing out. nobody touches her with you present and I still suspect that is because it would be much harder to fake it if they felt a pulse or her breathing. the only word you have of her death comes from people you can't trust.

Yes well this isn't what a plot hole is. A plot hole would be for Teledji for showing up in Ishgard after the banquett.
There not being an autopsy is not a plot hole at all.

i found this conversation interesting.

Originally Posted by Gilthas

I know you're not threatening to not play 3.0, but aren't the people saying that they should "stay dead" doing the same thing?
Nah. I won't quit if they all turn out alive but will stay disappointed. And seeing how much they added to the story I think we could do well with only Tataru, Yugiri, Cid and the Leveilleurs so even though I love Y'shtola, I don't think the game would go to hell without her.
I'm still not sure if any of them died, though Y'shtola and Thancred are probably closer to the death flag. Yda and papalymo are probably alive and kicking, being caught in your own Final heaven isn't really life threatening...or is that why we do a backflip away after we do it?
I think it's extremely likely that all the Scions are alive since we didn't actually see them die. So no, them "coming back" wouldn't make FFXIV a comic book.
No we didn't see them die, that's true, but they didn't stay behind to catch up with us later, either. We last saw Papalymo and Yda winning but the army got passed them AND the portcullis. Y'shtola very explicitly preapaired to drop the ceiling on her own head. Like I said, Nanamo and at least one Scion should stay dead.
i agree that the Sultana is dead. less so that any of the scions are, people dying to flash of white light is pretty common for cheating death.
Nanamo is a different issue since we actually see her die and her death scene was certainly a lot more emotional than the "death scenes" of the Scions. But it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Nanamo was poisoned with a drug that only made her seem dead. If true though, I don't think she was in on the plan.
Or what if she was in on the plan to drink the poison and die? As others have pointed out, her expression and her gestures during the private audience were highly suspicious. Also she is likely not so dense as to believe that dissolving the monarchy would prevent the monetarists from making a power play. She likely planned for Teledji becomming overconfident and showing his hands too soon, which he did. This might also redeem Kan-E and Merlwyb. Remember, we didn't see the end of the tea party where she revealed her intention to abdicate the throne. Merlwyb almost stayed but remembered that this was all according to Nanamo's plan and left. Yes, this is my theory and i'm gonna stick to it.
I was going to argue about why wasn't Raubahn in on it, and why Nanamo is suddenly so scheming, though i do get that a monetarist power grab is the perfect setup for a revolution done by the people.
I imagine we both know that people make up plotholes to justify why they consider a story bad. Some people have never heard of suspension of disbelief.

I still remember someone telling me that FFVII was riddled with plotholes including the player never knowing who Cloud's dad is.

You are one of the few people in here that doesnt actually bother to use spoiler tags to cover important facts. I think that says enough about your opinion on plotholes.

the topic has the word spoilers in it, if your going to be going into this topic, you have to expect it.

Originally Posted by Balipu

Reading through the responses I'd say no, but literally nobody who said plothole in this thread ellaborated on what were the holes. Can you be the first to do so? Please?

actually it is elaborated on a few times but I'll point out in my first post on here that wasnt just about Yugiri's hair

Originally Posted by Wildsprite

okay first off. we don't know that Nanamo is dead. her body was not examined while we were present and, it is not confirmed by anyone we can trust(this should send up big red flags right there). we can assume she might be but the way they left it, it is very possible they wanted you and all present at the banquet to believe she is. we know that Wilfred and Teledji are dead. it is assumed that the Ilberd is likely dead(though I really hope he isn't cause I wanna murder him). and the impression I got was that Lolorito orchistrating the majority of it, although I think he might have just taken advantage of the situaton with Teledji dead.

it is never confirmed that any of the scions are dead either only assumed.

and my second post

Originally Posted by Wildsprite

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Nanamo is a different issue since we actually see her die and her death scene was certainly a lot more emotional than the "death scenes" of the Scions. But it's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility that Nanamo was poisoned with a drug that only made her seem dead. If true though, I don't think she was in on the plan.

we don't see her die, what we see is about the same thing as going into spasms and passing out. nobody touches her with you present and I still suspect that is because it would be much harder to fake it if they felt a pulse or her breathing. the only word you have of her death comes from people you can't trust.

Originally Posted by Aeyis

You are one of the few people in here that doesnt actually bother to use spoiler tags to cover important facts. I think that says enough about your opinion on plotholes.

Like someone else already mentioned, the topic title already says that there are spoilers inside, so adding spoiler tags to our posts is simply redundant.

As for your "plot-holes" they aren't plot-holes, just things you don't like:

Two Scions and 1 portculis is a better barrier than 1 portculis and no Scions.
You can't prove that the non self-destructive overdrive would be more powerful.
Your theory that people that use Holy in games are immune to its effects is simply ridiculous. I haven't done any PvP in FFXIV but I'm sure that WHMs can damage other WHMs with Holy.
Hydaelyn talking to Minfilia is not a plothole and we don't even know what she was told.

At best you could say that your character was naive to easily trust in the Brave, at the time you had no idea how big the conspiracy was so there was no reason to distrust every single Brave of the 1st and 3rd.
Your character getting a personal invite from the Sultanna isn't a plot hole at all. Did you even watch the cutscene? Nanamo had reasons to meet with your character, even if you choose to believe that they sucked.
What exactly could our character do to save her in the few seconds it took for her to die? They're not immune to going into shock and freezing.

Attacking the authorities at the scene of the crime right after it was commited in your presence isn't exactly the best way to prove your innocence.
Your character not having his weapon with him is an explanation given by people here, not the game, so that's also not a plothole.
The Scions having special powers isn't exactly something new.

I guess in the end, maybe we don't have the same definition of what a plot-hole is. To me a plot-hole is something impossible happening. Of all the "plot-holes" you mentioned, the best case you have is your character trusting that Brave, but even that has a reasonable explanation. It's not impossible, it's not even implausible.

If you dedicated as much energy in finding a reasonable explanation as you do coming up with plot-holes you probably wouldn't have so much problems with the plot.

Originally Posted by Balipu

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Portculis could have been dropped from the other side. Overdrives could have been used in a none self-destructive way. [B]Well the army got passed the dropped portcullis anyway and caught up to us even with Papalymo and Yda holding the line, so I don't think simply dropping the portcullis would have worked.

We don't know if they got past the portculis or entered from a different point.